Someone should pay

[Riverwind (imported)]

Joe Jackson: 'Someone should pay' for son's death

NEW YORK – Michael Jackson's father says he'd never heard of the drug propofol until it was implicated in his son's death.

"I'm not angry. I'm mad," Joe Jackson said in an interview that aired Monday on NBC's "Today" show. "I didn't know all this was going on. That's what I'm mad about."

The Los Angeles County coroner's office announced Friday that Michael Jackson's death on June 25 was a homicide caused primarily by propofol and another sedative, and ruled propofol with other anti-anxiety drugs was a contributing factor in his death.

Jackson was using propofol to help him sleep, a practice medical experts consider extremely dangerous.

Joe Jackson said the coroner's announcement "tells me there was foul play done. That's what it tells me. And more to be investigated to see what is behind all of this stuff, not just Dr. Conrad Murray."

Murray, a Las Vegas cardiologist who was Michael Jackson's personal physician, hasn't been charged with any crime but he is the target of what police term a manslaughter investigation. "Someone should pay. Not just someone but all of them should pay that's involved," Jackson said.

It makes me wonder, if everybody who hurt MJ should pay I think we need to start with papa JOE. MJ for all the things he was, one of them was a drug addict. MJ had the drug problem, if you have money you can buy anything you want, he did, drugs. But if we go back to the start the blame first needs to go to Joe for pushing his son to be that star he was. MJ lost his youth and maybe that's why he never grew up, I am sure he was in a lot of pain but for all the family that say they loved him if they loved him that much they should have pushed him into drug rehab.

Bottom line, MJ was a drug user, he died from an overdose, he is the first one that needs to be blamed, end of story.

River

[devi (imported)]

Gives new meaning to:

Now I lay me down to sleep,

I pray the Lord my soul to keep,

And if I die before I wake...

[devi (imported)]

I pray the Lord my soul to take...

Obviously MJ was a tormented soul in this life being that he could not even get a good night's rest. I guess sleeping well at night is something that you can't take for granted. And obviously he did do some things that I really don't understand what he had done. At best he was just plain redicuously stupid. I kind of think that he WAS guilty but I just don't know by how much and even if he really was guilty afterall now. But I sort of grew up with him being about the same age as him and having gone through some of the things that our generation went through. I always read and and listened to everything about him whenever anything would come along. I did like all of his music. And it did seem to me that if we had ever met we could have hit it off right away. I didn't quite understand his obsession for staying and looking so young even at the expense of sugeries and so forth. And inviting kids to sleep over is just totally nuts. I guess he was trying to make up for something his own father had taken away from him and that he could never really have in the end. It's so sad to see Michael Jackson go but then I suppose he's better off wherever he might have gone even if it is just sleep. At least now he is sleeping peacefully.

[moi621 (imported)]

Michael Jackson

Howard Hughes

Elvis Presley

All died early, in part as they yielded their lives to, managers and handlers.

They were incompetent to deal with the world as an adult and monied their way out.

The question is, should the free society in its' Nanny State interests require such suspected, managed, well monied persons submit to psychiatric questioning on demand and possible custodianship? Or die young?

I remember the Senate or Court demanded Howard Hughes' to present himself but had to settle for a telephone call.

Not even any video.

Oh, and all three were very, well medicated. Elvis so well he died from polydrug withdrawal. Howard was on the needle.

Shouldn't we, society, have done more to protect them from their money, the drugs and isolation it bought them?

Moi

[fhunter]

The question is, should the free society in its' Nanny State interests require such suspected, managed, well monied persons submit to psychiatric questioning on demand and possible custodianship? Or die young?

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Shouldn't we, society, have done more to protect them from their money, the drugs and isolation it bought them?

Moi

You are starting on a slippery route here.

How this should be done? What should initiate this questioning?

I can see a great potential for abuse here.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Howard Hughes was 70 when he died, not exactly young.

Another big difference Hughes actually invented stuff that helps people even to this day, (the hospital bed).

River

[moi621 (imported)]

You are starting on a slippery route here.

How this should be done? What should initiate this questioning?

I can see a great potential for abuse here.

Where better to approuch a slippery slope then in a

Deep Dark Cellar.

Hughes was 70 upon his death, not young, my mistake.

But, still a premature death due to, poor personal management.

Unless such persons, or any person be available for interview upon subpoena, how do we know an individual, well monied or not, is not being criminally, imprisoned?

Imagine Evis', Michael's and Howard's handlers taking advantage of the individual's isolation as to manipulate them.

Moi

[A-1 (imported)]

...and then there was Jerry Garcia...

“Nobody stopped thinking about those psychedelic experiences. Once you've been to some of those places, you think, ''How can I get back there again but make it a little easier on myself?''”

“There is a road, no simple highway, between the dawn and the dark of night, and if you go, no one may follow, that path is for your steps alone”

...and Jimmy Morrison...

“People are afraid of themselves, of their own reality; their feelings most of all. People talk about how great love is, but that's bullshit. Love hurts. Feelings are disturbing. People are taught that pain is evil and dangerous. How can they deal with love if they're afraid to feel? Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain.”

also...

“I see myself as a huge fiery comet, a shooting star. Everyone stops, points up and gasps "Oh look at that!" Then- whoosh, and I'm gone...and they'll never see anything like it ever again... and they won't be able to forget me- ever.”

“Expose yourself to your deepest fear; after that, fear has no power, and the fear of freedom shrinks and vanishes. You are free.”

At the end of the day it is easy to blame your shortcomings in life on others.

Generally, the fact is that you are not a slave to the pusherman, but only to yourself...