Too Many People?

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ramses (imported) wrote: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:52 pm RIght now our oceans are being poisoned by vast amounts of fertilizer runoff.

Much of the fertilizer used in this country is used to keep the typical American lawn green. Another byproduct of the American love affair with the green lawn is the Lawnmower. These wonderful and unregulated devises emit vast quantities of pollution along with their ear numbing noise. When I think about, the lawn serves a similar purpose as the neck tie most people gave up wearing years ago and I think it is about time it suffered the same fate. In California we are face one of the worst droughts in our history and we simply can't continue to sustain the same water wasteful lifestyle we have grown accustomed to. I hope my fellow Californians will all discover the virtues growing native plant species that require little water and are hardier that our manicured green lawns.
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jemagirl (imported) wrote: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:52 pm Much of the fertilizer used in this country is used to keep the typical American lawn green. Another byproduct of the American love affair with the green lawn is the Lawnmower. These wonderful and unregulated devises emit vast quantities of pollution along with their ear numbing noise. When I think about, the lawn serves a similar purpose as the neck tie most people gave up wearing years ago and I think it is about time it suffered the same fate. In California we are face one of the worst droughts in our history and we simply can't continue to sustain the same water wasteful lifestyle we have grown accustomed to. I hope my fellow Californians will all discover the virtues growing native plant species that require little water and are hardier that our manicured green lawns.

Buy a goat, maybe two goats.

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So, just how many people is "too many" people on this planet.

As far as I am concerned, 2 people is 2 too many.

Everything was in a nice natural evolutionary balance before the human brain evolved and threw everything out of balance.

At the current human reproduction rate, it is statistically impossible for the resources of the planet to support human population for another 3 generations. The combination of dwindling resources, total population, even with perfect management of resources, it becomes an impossibility.

And yet, necessity is the mother of invention. You just never know what one evolved human mind might think of, might invent, that could literally change everything.

Maybe eliminate the need for food consumption.

Maybe discover a way to turn sea water into fresh water.

When everything looks like gloom and doom, somehow, humans seem to first suffer miserably, and somehow rebound and make a comeback.

Time will tell, but not in my time.

But just in case humans and earth go to hell in a handbasket, at least I did my part.

I did not reproduce. Dead, numb, sterile nuts. (I am Not a physical eunuch, but I am a virtual eunuch).

So if humankind and the planet turn to mush, you can't blame it on me or my gonads.
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I live on two and a half acres and when I mow the grass goes to feed my chickens or the compost pile.I never let anything go to waste as the lawn clipings then feed the chickens and I sell eggs or give them to folks who can not afford to buy them.My trees heat my house and the leaves feed the compost pile and that compost feeds my garden and those vegys feed those who can not afford them.We all need to think of how we use our land and not just feed horses so we can look at them.
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Doomsday environmental scientists and pseudo-scientists have been around for a long time. (See: Thomas Malthus 1766-1834) In 1968 Paul Erlich became a household name after he published his influential book “The Population Bomb.” It was written at the suggestion of David Brower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brower), at the time the executive director of the environmentalist Sierra Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Club). The book begins: "[t]he battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s the world will undergo famines -- hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death…" He predicted the United States would see its life expectancy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy) drop to 42 years by 1980 and the nation's population would drop to 22.6 million by 1999. Ehrlich's theory influenced 1960s and 1970s public policy worldwide. He was supported by other doomsday environmental scientists, including Carl Sagan. Ehrlich did not see any means of avoiding the disaster and the solutions for limiting its scope that he proposed included starving whole countries that refused to implement population control measures. He also proposed that: "(We need) compulsory birth regulation... (through) the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired family size.” The growth of population is central to the doomsday ‘Population Bomb’ theory. The common assertion is that the population of the world grows more quickly than the supply of food. The flaw is that population does not expand exponentially at a constant rate, and the food supply does not expand at a linear rate, as frequently proposed. We are feeding more people today with more food with less famine (except that which is politically caused, i.e., Ethiopia, Zimbabwe) than in known history. (See interesting discussion of population/food supply here: http://members.optusnet.com.au/exponent ... hrlich.htm) Population increase is a long term concern. Doomsday predictions that precipitate hysteria in terms of public policy should be an even greater concern.

Other doomsday predictions: In the 1970s, it was The New Ice Age. In the 1990s, Carl Sagan famously predicted that the black clouds from smoky oil fires in Kuwait (set by Saddam Hussein's army) would cause a worldwide ecological disaster. Retired atmospheric physicist Fred Singer dismissed Sagan's prediction as nonsense, predicting that the smoke would dissipate in a matter of days. Singer was correct. MMGW (Man Made Global Warming) is the disaster the doomsayers have now adopted.

Critic Julian Lincoln Simon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Lincoln_Simon) noted: "As soon as one predicted disaster doesn't occur, the doomsayers skip to another..."
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The big question is just how many people can the world hold? Unfortunately we can not know the answer until the human race is well past the point of no return.
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Paulo - I would have been disappointed if someone missed an opportunity like the one I presented. 😄
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30 years ago I had an elementry teacher that was equally concerned with the population explosion. He felt that man was going to be altered so that he was only 18 inches tall and completely void of hair. He illuminated a world populated by these litte bald men running around then voiced his only concern. He worried that the strike zone would be so small with midget players that baseball would come to a quick demise.

foul ball!

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Chilli Willi - Baseball and Midgets

After the 1953 season, the American League St. Louis Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Orioles.

To increase attendance during their last seasons in St. Louis, owner Bill Veeck (biography: "Veeck As In Wreck") did a bunch of funny promotions, including the signing of a midget to a one-game contract. He was put in for one at-bat, walked on four pitches, 🚶and was replaced by a pinch runner. Next day, the St. Louis papers said he had a 'short' yet notable career.
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azolderm4m (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:31 pm Chilli Willi - Baseball and Midgets

After the 1953 season, the American League St. Louis Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Orioles.

To increase attendance during their last seasons in St. Louis, owner Bill Veeck (biography: "Veeck As In Wreck") did a bunch of funny promotions, including the signing of a midget to a one-game contract. He was put in for one at-bat, walked on four pitches, 🚶and was replaced by a pinch runner. Next day, the St. Louis papers said he had a 'short' yet notable career.

Some of us miss Bill Veeck. He was a marketing genius.
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