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Mother wants rapist/murderers castrated
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Re: Mother wants rapist/murderers castrated
Not if it shortens their sentences. Life imprisonment with castration but they should never walk any street again. Castration will not fix their mind. If they have that much rage and need to control the reduced sex drive will not cure.
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Re: Mother wants rapist/murderers castrated
Castration and imprisonment would be much much too kind for the three creeps who did this. If there actually any "justice" in this world, these three would spend the rest of their lives in hard labor at a stone quarry, and being raped every night before they go to sleep.
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Re: Mother wants rapist/murderers castrated
From time to time, I watch an old movie, earlier this afternoon, "The Children's Hour," with Audrey Hepburn, Shirley MacLaine, and James Garner, which is on a commercial DVD along with two other old movies...
The story on which the movie was based was written by Lillian Hellman... It is about aspects of society, sexuality, childhood, and more, and the character played by MacLaine commits suicide as the movie is ending.
What causes people to act out with hatred such that people affected by hatred act hatefully, as though such was an essential and inescapable aspect of human nature? Since when can actual justice be achieved by further damaging people who have already been so badly damaged as to have become incapable of respecting themselves sufficiently as to be able to treat others with respect?
Someone who is willing to rape another person has been terribly damaged by other people first, though that sort of damage is commonly considered part of what is needed for people to relate to one another properly.
Galileo Galilei, as I have read as translated into English, as to why others had not found the mathematics of acceleration in an essentially uniform gravitational field [distance traveled equals (one-half) multiplied by (acceleration) multiplied by (time-squared)] before he did, and view was that others had looked in the wrong place.
Accurate observation, it seems to me, requires that three things be done accurately. For an observation to be accurate: 1. It is necessary to look where what is observed actually is; that is, it is necessary to accurately look in the right place. 2. It is necessary to accurately recognize what is found where it actually is. 3. it is necessary to accurately note what is recognized where it actually is.
A vast amount of scientific psychology work has identified the nature of a person's actual locus of control with respect to the person's overt conduct. The fundamental attribution error of social psychology is the assigning situational factors outside a person's actual locus of control to the person's locus of control, or, attributing to "disposition" as being of informed choice situational factors which are neither within the person's locus of control or within the realm of the person's realm of actual informed choice.
Karl Menninger, of Menninger Clinic fame, wrote a book, "The Crime of Punishment," published in 1968 by Vkiing Press, New York. It is the utterly dishonest punishing of children for making avoidable mistakes (no actually avoidable mistake ever happens because all actually avoidable mistakes are always actually avoided and therefore never actually happen) which damages children's brains (the dissociative trauma which results in most people being unable to consciously remember very early childhood) in ways that result in forms of revenge against society in the form of anti-social acts, including rape, murder, and punishing of people who tell of their childhood abuse through actions because they were forbidden to tell of their abuse in words.
Is not seeking the harsh punishment of others quite precisely what violent criminals do? If so, what usefully distinguishes a violent criminal from those who believe in violent punishment of supposed criminals? Is it not through violent punishment that people learn to be violent?
When will we ever learn?
The story on which the movie was based was written by Lillian Hellman... It is about aspects of society, sexuality, childhood, and more, and the character played by MacLaine commits suicide as the movie is ending.
What causes people to act out with hatred such that people affected by hatred act hatefully, as though such was an essential and inescapable aspect of human nature? Since when can actual justice be achieved by further damaging people who have already been so badly damaged as to have become incapable of respecting themselves sufficiently as to be able to treat others with respect?
Someone who is willing to rape another person has been terribly damaged by other people first, though that sort of damage is commonly considered part of what is needed for people to relate to one another properly.
Galileo Galilei, as I have read as translated into English, as to why others had not found the mathematics of acceleration in an essentially uniform gravitational field [distance traveled equals (one-half) multiplied by (acceleration) multiplied by (time-squared)] before he did, and view was that others had looked in the wrong place.
Accurate observation, it seems to me, requires that three things be done accurately. For an observation to be accurate: 1. It is necessary to look where what is observed actually is; that is, it is necessary to accurately look in the right place. 2. It is necessary to accurately recognize what is found where it actually is. 3. it is necessary to accurately note what is recognized where it actually is.
A vast amount of scientific psychology work has identified the nature of a person's actual locus of control with respect to the person's overt conduct. The fundamental attribution error of social psychology is the assigning situational factors outside a person's actual locus of control to the person's locus of control, or, attributing to "disposition" as being of informed choice situational factors which are neither within the person's locus of control or within the realm of the person's realm of actual informed choice.
Karl Menninger, of Menninger Clinic fame, wrote a book, "The Crime of Punishment," published in 1968 by Vkiing Press, New York. It is the utterly dishonest punishing of children for making avoidable mistakes (no actually avoidable mistake ever happens because all actually avoidable mistakes are always actually avoided and therefore never actually happen) which damages children's brains (the dissociative trauma which results in most people being unable to consciously remember very early childhood) in ways that result in forms of revenge against society in the form of anti-social acts, including rape, murder, and punishing of people who tell of their childhood abuse through actions because they were forbidden to tell of their abuse in words.
Is not seeking the harsh punishment of others quite precisely what violent criminals do? If so, what usefully distinguishes a violent criminal from those who believe in violent punishment of supposed criminals? Is it not through violent punishment that people learn to be violent?
When will we ever learn?
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Re: Mother wants rapist/murderers castrated
DeaconBlues (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:42 pm Castration and imprisonment would be much much too kind for the three creeps who did this. If there actually any "justice" in this world, these three would spend the rest of their lives in hard labor at a stone quarry, and being raped every night before they go to sleep.
As much as I hate rapists I would not want another human being being raped. I do want them to have life in prison. Since I truly do not think castration will help I see no real purpose. Seperation from society since they are unable to live amongst others.
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Re: Mother wants rapist/murderers castrated
My greatest fear is that anyone is falsely accused and imprisoned, or in this case, castrated against their will.
Hopefully only the guilty are imprisoned, and my main concern is that they are permanently removed from society so they can cause no more harm.
Essentially a life "sentence", which unfortunately the rest of society has to keep paying for as long as they live.
As far as imposing pain upon them, some, many, most? are mentally ill and they had no control over their actions.
More to be pitied, censured, and imprisoned than tortured.
Hopefully only the guilty are imprisoned, and my main concern is that they are permanently removed from society so they can cause no more harm.
Essentially a life "sentence", which unfortunately the rest of society has to keep paying for as long as they live.
As far as imposing pain upon them, some, many, most? are mentally ill and they had no control over their actions.
More to be pitied, censured, and imprisoned than tortured.
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Re: Mother wants rapist/murderers castrated
It seems to me that castration is a appropriate punishment for violent rape, but they should still be put in jail. If I were raped, I would'nt care what the reason the person was damaged, I just don't want him to damage me or anyone else.
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Re: Mother wants rapist/murderers castrated
Both penectomy and castration would be necessary for it to have any real effect.tugon (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:27 pm As much as I hate rapists I would not want another human being being raped. I do want them to have life in prison. Since I truly do not think castration will help I see no real purpose. Seperation from society since they are unable to live amongst others.
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Re: Mother wants rapist/murderers castrated
Mac (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:28 pm Both penectomy and castration would be necessary for it to have any real effect.
No not really. People have been raped by dildos, pop bottles and other phallic shaped items. Rape is about power and control and you do not need a penis to rape someone. You do need to gain power and control. You are still thinking it is only about sex.