Inmate may have been castrated before murder

[SplitDik (imported)]

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valley ... ay_hav.php

An inmate at an Arizona prison was murdered on Friday, and there's a good chance he had his junk cut off in the process.

Inmate Shannon Palmer was found unresponsive in his cell at Lewis Prison in Buckeye Friday afternoon.

He was taken to an area hospital where he was pronounced dead about 2 p.m. Friday.

Palmer was serving a three-year bid for criminal damage out of Maricopa County.

Palmer was one of the Department of Corrections repeat customers. This latest Arizona prison term was Palmer's fourth.

Arizona Department of Corrections officials say Palmer was living in a two-man cell at the prison. It's believed that his cellmate, Jasper Rushing -- a convicted murderer -- was responsible for the killing, and KPHO is reporting that during the murder, Rushing castrated Palmer.

We spoke to DOC spokesman Bill Lamoreaux, who wouldn't confirm or deny that Palmer's balls were chopped off.

"I don't know. Whatever was in the [press] release is what we know," Lamoreaux tells New Times.

The release, to which Lamoreaux is referring, makes no mention of testicles or of Palmer's rumored lack of them. KPHO's information about the castration comes from an anonymous source "with knowledge of the incident."

DOC officials say the murder is under investigation.

[smoothie (imported)]

AMAZING

ONE WOULD THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE CONTROL,

IN A LOCKED UP SETTING!!!!

It just makes you wonder,

do these sort of things just happen.or are they in hopes of that,they

may well indeed happen!!!!!!!

maybe it is setting the atmosphere for it to happen!!!!

This way the courts are not so embarrassed when a guilty individual,

falls through the so called cracks!!!!

I don't mind living in a man's

world if I can be a woman in it

Denise

[Sweetpickle (imported)]

The treatment of prisoners in the US is criminal.

We have terrible overcrowding, little or no effort

at rehabilitation, and a poor system for transitioning

prisoners back to civilian life. Whole categories of

prisoners live in fear of being murdered by other

inmates, and I suspect eunuchs would be one

of them.

If you are interested in prisoner problems look at

www.curenational.org

[_g (imported)]

The treatment of prisoners in the US is criminal.

We have terrible overcrowding, little or no effort

at rehabilitation, and a poor system for transitioning

prisoners back to civilian life. Whole categories of

prisoners live in fear of being murdered by other

inmates, and I suspect eunuchs would be one

of them.

If you are interested in prisoner problems look at

www.curenational.org

Note most will not like this statment

The US is too easy with criminals, including minors were corrective actions may do some good. The third time in, the criminals should leave in a pine box.

_g

[chemcast scot (imported)]

well it is the same in the uk,to many prisoners in the prison system for it rehabilitate. Far to many prisoners are being let into the comunity with no help to resettle,the conditions inside prison do not help,cramped conditions with nothing for prisoners to do.I know that prisons are not ment to be holiday camps,but maybe if we were to treat prisoners with a bit of humanity,then we might get humans who will come out of the system,and back into sociaty. After all you would not lock a dog in a kennel for years,and then expect it to come out as the perfect house pet would you,so why do we think that humans will be any differant.There are far to many prisons not only in the usa but also here in the uk that are overcrowded,and no i do not think the answer is just to build more prisons.Yes people who are a real danger to soiaty need to be locked up,but we are locking up to many people for minor things.

[Arab Nights (imported)]

ONE WOULD THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE CONTROL,

IN A LOCKED UP SETTING!!!!

I have heard more than one of my cop buddies say that they (prisoners) control what goes on inside when the gates close and the lights go out. It is simply impossible to control everything unless you had enough guards to do 1 on 1.

[bimale4fun23 (imported)]

problem is the gangs control the maximum prisons and prey on the weaker inmates. Problem with overcrowding is no money to build new prisons.

[SplitDik (imported)]

The fact that there are so many people in prison proves that it is not really a deterrent so that argument is not valid. When people commit crimes they either think they won't get caught, or don't care if they get caught (crimes of passion, mental illness, etc.).

So there are only two reasons to really imprison people. 1) some people are too dangerous to allow on the streets, 2) to be a proxy for revenge for the victims.

Both are legitimate reasons. But I just like to remind people that harsher sentences do nothing for deterrence, so you should only sentence people for the other reasons. Heck, having a death penalty doesn't reduce the murder rate. Even in countries like Iran where you can have your hand cut off for stealing bread doesn't stop people from stealing bread. Criminals simply don't think they will get caught.

Anyway, the overcrowding is pretty ridiculous too. In those Lockdown shows on t.v. they show some prisons where everyone sleeps in bunkbeds out in the open in the yard with just a thin tent to protect them from the weather.

The whole thing of the prisoners ruling the prison is stupid too. But it is a testament to human ingenuity that they can still organize gangs, import contraband, etc. while in prison. You would think that a prison would be easy to run -- just lock everyone in individual cells and control their time out of the cells such that they can't organize or get into trouble. But I think maybe the prison guards and operators themselves aren't necessarily that smart, and they also aren't paid well enough so are prone to incompetence and corruption.

The main thing though is that imprisoning people for drug possession is just a huge boondoggle. People should have the right to do what they want to themselves, and no one should go to prison for a victimless crime. It should only be a crime when there is a victim. If your drug habit causes you to burglarize, then you should go to jail for burglary. If you drive while impaired and kill someone then you should go to jail for manslaughter. But if you do drugs on your own time with the only harm being to your own health, that should not be a crime. No one should go to jail for an act that doesn't have a victim.

The US system is worth singling out for criticism for a couple reasons. First of all, US has the highest rate of population in prison of pretty much anywhere in the world. Secondly, US contracts out most of its prison operations to private companies. That creates a number of serious problems that are unique to the US system.

[chemcast scot (imported)]

Locking people up and only let the out for meals ect, will do nothing to help rehabilitate anyone,infact that just compounds the problem.

And as for crimes with no victims,sorry but no sutch thing,it was said that doing drugs and only harming yourself,where do these people go to when they have no money to buy drugs,they turn to crime,robbery theft muggings or stealing from shops,so there is a victim for every crime.

Doing more to get people to stop a life of crime is more to the point,and yes as for the inmates controling the prisons,i agree that prison officers do not get paid enough. Not only that but there is not enough officers in the cell blocks,and having as many people in sutch a small space will only cause problems,the answer is to only imprison those whos crimes require them to be there,murder rape child offences killing police officers,or those who are to dangerouse to be let amoung the population.

Maybe if we did not put people with mental health problems in prison then there would not be as mutch overcrowding,but treat people with mental health problems in the correct facilitys.

[KimiRhoze (imported)]

I work with an ex-felon and some of the stories he's told of his time in prison are horrible. That said, who's going to come to the aid of people being abused in prison? Nobody gives a rat's ass about a prisoner, they don't care about their basic human rights, regardless of what crime was commited. The reality as I see it, police, prison, heck the entire law system is more for generating revenue for the states/government, than it is to seeing actual justice served, or rehabilitating someone back into society.