Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:58 pm
Way back 20 or so posts ago both A-1 and Moi agreed, here is the solution.
The NFL had guys that ran on the field naked the cameras followed them and they got there name in the paper along with their picture, today when that happens they say there is a disturbance on the field, yes its been taken care of and the game goes on. Their names and pictures are never shown, the problem has for the most part gone away.
Solution: report that its happened, but withhold the name of the person who did it, alive or not, never to be published. When executed, body's cremated and spread on the ocean, no grave to visit. Make them a non person forever.
I don't want to know this creeps name and I want his body burned and ashes spread, pull every record of this person and destroy it so there is no record that this person ever existed. That is all the notoriety that this person deserves, NONE.
River
River, I do respect you. We have talked together at the past two MoMs.
That said, I cannot yet imagine a better way of explaining what happened in Newtown, Connecticut than destroying the record of the person whose destroyed life destroyed the lives of others.
The victimization of children by parents who were victimized as children who had parents who were victimized as children, going back at least 4000 years in the human historical record informs me that the victimization has been so severe that truly good and decent people, for example, you, River, have been given such tragic insensitivity to the sort of abuse that breaks children into self-hatred that, projected onto other people, takes people into states of mind in which ordinary conscious awareness is overwhelmed by unconscious brain activity.
Show me that the work if Libet is wrong regarding how "normal" people make unconscious decisions which they pretend were conscious. Read that book I earlier mentioned by Libet, "Mind Time," and do a scientific experiment that can readily be replicated that demonstrates that the about 500 millisecond delay observed in Libet's published research is incorrect. No one has been able to do that yet. Of course, I allow that you are able to do it if Libet's work is actually wrong.
Saying something is so is the essence of child abuse, authoritarian coercion in which a parent demands compliance with the parent's belief regardless of the child's conscience.
As for me, I regard people who act out what they were forbidden to talk out to be socially precious, albeit stunningly tragic, martyrs. And I find it more terribly sad that humanity apparently needs martyrs because people, as children are taught that what matters to them does not matter to others. This depersonalization and/or deindividuation is the essence of what drives people to act out after words have absolutely and totally failed because of being forbidden.
Erasing the lives of people who have been driven to the realm of martyrs is what makes it impossible to stop making more martyrs; the children in Newtown who were killed being no more nor less martyrs to the nature of socialization-generated child abuse than the one whose gunshots killed them.
While ignoring many behaviors tends to extinguish behaviors, there also are behaviors that are reinforced by being ignored, child abuse being one of them.
Ignoring child abuse does not stop child abuse.
As best I can guess, the only thing that spared me from acting out in a massively destructive way in response to the abuse others sent my way because I was autistic and transgendered was my parents never teaching me that I had made a mistake that I could have avoided making.
I live my life in accord with the one philosophical principle that I have never been able to imagine any possible way to refute, which is:
Whatever happens, as it happens, is necessary and sufficient; such that, if it is right, it is helpful; if it is helpful, it is right, if it is hurtful, it is wrong, if it is wrong it is hurtful; and it is helpful to learn what is hurtful as no other way exists for learning what is hurtful and how to avoid it; therefore, everything that actually happens is inescapably right and nothing actually wrong can ever happen; that all being necessary and sufficient because, and only because, what actually happens is what actually happens and what actually does not happen is what actually does not happen.
Or, nothing actually bad can ever happen because it is right to do what is necessary for learning what would actually be bad if it were actually avoidable; that being the only process through which what is wrong can become avoidable when it has actually become avoidable.
Human spoken and written language was developed in the presence of time-corrupted-learning-based-child-abuse, so that human language words used in ordinary ways have associations of word and meaning which obliterate conscious awareness of the child abuse the words and meaning were developed to conceal.
So, River, I find no fault with you for seemingly finding fault with that damaged person in Newtown, Connecticut, for each and every person now living has been met with child abuse in one way or another, else no fault would be found with anyone.