Riverwind (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:44 pm OK I'll bite, what happens on Jan 6th?

River

On the twelth night the three wise men brought gifts to the baby Jesus. The epiphanie is that they warned Mary and Joseph that Herod was looking for them and the angels told them to flee to Egypt.

Yes but what year did this take place? what month? I am sure it took more then 12 days for three guys walking in the desert to find one kid. Don't even start with a star pointed the way, Stars are millions of miles away, light years even. Are you sure Jesus, yes that one was not born sometime in OH, MAY?

We all know about Emperor Constantine of Rome who in the third century AD converted to being a christian and in doing so declared the winter solstice as the birth date of Christ, how better to change a countries religion then to make the pagan holidays, christian holidays.

So again when was Christ born, May what? or was it April?

Its OK don't get mad at me for this, the Queen has a birthday in June, this was not when she was born but it is when the country celebrates her birthday, like race horses all being born on Jan 1st.

Its just a date, meaningless really when you get down to it.

So again what happens on the 12th day? Did this take place in January on which calendar?

OH never mind.

River

T'is the season, River.

wink, wink

When was Christ born? This is actually a sore spot between Jesus and God. Apparently when Jesus left the earth he inadvertently took with him the year "zero". There is no trace of that year anywhere. It's been erased. Anything that had happened in the zeroeth "year of our Lord" is completely not there. It's gone. It's like that year never happened. And so now historians are faced with the task of subtracting one year when calculating from say 2000 bc up to 2000 ad. And everybody's screwed up about when a century begins and ends because of that. That year was supposed to be there but had somehow been disposed of in Christ's careless hasty ascension into heaven.

NO, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

the gods of Math say no,

I think Dev is on to something, remember the mayan numbering system did have OH GOD DARE I SAY IT a ZERO. But not to worry that was new world math not old world math.

So where did that Zero year go?

maybe those three guys who made the visit to the baby Jesus took it with them.

River

I think Dev is having fun at math's expense.

What until the gods of math "fix" that checkbook. It will never balance again.

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:29 pm Yes but what year did this take place? what month? I am sure it took more then 12 days for three guys walking in the desert to find one kid. Don't even start with a star pointed the way, Stars are millions of miles away, light years even. Are you sure Jesus, yes that one was not born sometime in OH, MAY?

We all know about Emperor Constantine of Rome who in the third century AD converted to being a christian and in doing so declared the winter solstice as the birth date of Christ, how better to change a countries religion then to make the pagan holidays, christian holidays.

So again when was Christ born, May what? or was it April?

Its OK don't get mad at me for this, the Queen has a birthday in June, this was not when she was born but it is when the country celebrates her birthday, like race horses all being born on Jan 1st.

Its just a date, meaningless really when you get down to it.

So again what happens on the 12th day? Did this take place in January on which calendar?

OH never mind.

River

The Wise Men were astrologers so they knew ahead of time when and where the Messiah would be born, so they could arrange their travel plans long before the Divine insemination. By tradition, Jesus was born on 25 December (despite the Biblical narrative in which shepherds are keeping watch over their flocks by night (an indication of the spring lambing season); on the eighth day counting from and including 25 December, (1 January) He was circumcised according to Jewish customary law. Yes, New Year's is a holiday because it is the Feast of the Holy Circumcision. On the 12th day after the birthday, 6 January, the Wise men appeared with bris presents in hand. This is called Epiphany in Roman Catholic tradition but Twelfth Night in English tradition.

According to Gospel, Jesus was born during the life of Herod the Great, who died in 4 BC at a time when the Romans instituted a general census, but there was no general Roman census in that year, and during the census of 8 BC Judea was not yet incorporated into the Roman Empire; nevertheless, according to Gospel, the census occurred when Cyrenius (ie Publius Sulpicius Quirinus) was governor of Syria. Actually Quirinius was legate, not governor, but he held that office in 6 AD when he did in fact supervise the survey of the new province of Judea, but by that time King Herod was pushing up the daisies. There is simply no way to reconcile these dates. At least one, possibly all of the statements, must be in error. The matter is discussed fairly and competently in the Oxford Companion to the Year, a bargain at $125.50.

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gareth19 (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:52 am . By tradition, Jesus was born on 25 December (despite the Biblical narrative in which shepherds are keeping watch over their flocks by night (an indication of the spring lambing season);

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Oh such pablumized truths. <sigh> :-\ A bargain at that.

Shepherds keep watch over their flocks year round because of predators. Not just lambing season.

Remember why David got so good with a sling. A necessity for a shepherd.

If a predator is allowed to be successful, it will come back for more.

Unlike the American West, Biblical herds were not so substantial they could get along with loss due to predators.

Moi

For topicalness sake,

did anyone here experience a Jesus epiphany?

OMD OMD

It just happened again!

McCain may have succeeded had he expressed how a McCain Presidency would vary from a

Baby Bush Presidency

Just like Hubert Horatio and the LBJ Presidency, 1968.

Moi

Please don't bring Sarah into it.

It qualified because I was not pondering the election and the "wholeness of it all" just happened.

After my first 1/2 shot of Azul Tequila btw, should you wonder .