How can it be possible man i do not think that at a time both can present.

jackcollins (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:49 pm How can it be possible man i do not think that at a time both can present.

Actually yes it can be. Don't forget that making a vagina via surgery is really just about making a hole, having enough loose skin to shape the outside and enough skin to line the inside. There is a procedure where they use a small section of the colon instead of the inversion method. So why not? The position where the penis joins the body and the position of the entrance of a vagina are seperate locations so theres nothing that makes it a physical impossibility.

Yes, I totally understand being accepted into the women's tribe. Especially after my FFS this year, even though I am tall I pass very well and that is a good feeling. At the same time I sort of like to stay on the edge, because I also like appearing "different from others". All my life I have felt "different", and through the years I have learned to leave the shame that sometime accompanies that, and to be proud of who I am. So while I do not go around advertising the fact that I have a body that mixed gendered, I do not hide that fact either. In fact, I look at it as if I am very blessed.

It's certainly nothing to be ashamed of! It's as "shameful" as women who have breasts smaller than they'd like, noses bigger than they'd like etc. Physical imperfections thats all. I do not feel any different. To me, it's all just the diversity that exists within one gender.

Priscilla, I think I have the answer. About twenty years ago I picked up a magazine in The Pleasure Chest in LA and read about something called, "The Ultrasexual". It was a surgery where they cut the tissue that held the penis to the pubic bone, then they created a pocket behind the pubic bone so that you could invert the penis into your body. It could be held in place with an erection and something like a vagina was created by the inside out foreskin, inside of you. Supposedly you could have sex and the stimulation against the underside of your penis by someone elses penis would allow you to orgasm. Then your could pull your penis out and still be able to use it to penetrate if you wanted. It must not have really worked or it would have become more popular, don't you think? But it stuck in my mind and I always wondered about it. It could have been just a fictional story, but it seemed plausible to me at the time.

Would this sort of fulfill what you were looking for?

DocT

DocT (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:38 am Priscilla, I think I have the answer. About twenty years ago I picked up a magazine in The Pleasure Chest in LA and read about something called, "The Ultrasexual". It was a surgery where they cut the tissue that held the penis to the pubic bone, then they created a pocket behind the pubic bone so that you could invert the penis into your body. It could be held in place with an erection and something like a vagina was created by the inside out foreskin, inside of you. Supposedly you could have sex and the stimulation against the underside of your penis by someone elses penis would allow you to orgasm. Then your could pull your penis out and still be able to use it to penetrate if you wanted. It must not have really worked or it would have become more popular, don't you think? But it stuck in my mind and I always wondered about it. It could have been just a fictional story, but it seemed plausible to me at the time.

Would this sort of fulfill what you were looking for?

DocT

Wow that seems pretty cool if it actually existed. Sure would help with dating cock-fearing lesbians who seem to think that genitals define gender =P

DOC- That is quite a story and I never heard of that being possible but it is a good story.

To have sex like a woman and like a man at the same time is what I am after. I can come close the way my body is, but not quite.

I have decided that what I am after is probably not possible, or if it is possible I would not want to go through the medical slicing and dicing to get it done.

So I will be content the way my body is. I love it this way anyway.

oh priscilla i tell ya the pocket idea is purrfect for me!

That would be nice having a woman with a penis and a vagina, especially if the penis could still get hard.

And as far as HumptyDumpty needing to eat, to each their own. I think she is hot just like she is.

I often use the term Shemale, but I don't mean it in a derogatory way. I use it to describe a girl who retains her penis for sex. Most girls that I have met that refer to themselves as TS don't use their penis' and want to get rid of them.

well, im not most girls, i feel that to use shemale to place an emphasis on the genitals one has is unnecessary and creates un-needed segregation and discrimination even if not used in a degrading manner, and i dont feel people should be defined by their genitals, or that TSes should be defined by whether they hate the genitals they were born with. I would feel very sorry for any mtf TS who says "I'm TS because i hate my cock" instead of "I'm TS because im a girl inside".

Afterall someone who is TS is simply a girl in a man's body, to what extent they hate that body and want to change it is another matter entirely, not unlike cisgendered girls wanting plastic surgery for all manner of perceived or real physical imperfections. in my case im just a TS who does not hate my genitals to the extent that i want to get rid of them. My motivations for wanting to get rid of them is because it will be a novel experience, whether I am rid of them or not is no obstacle towards me being a female both in mind or socially. So why define my by that? A term to describe me that is based on what genitals I have, is just not respectful, no matter how it is used, and trivialises my identity from being who i am inside to what i have between my legs. Hardly progressive in this modern day and age is it?

I'm not aiming this at Tony Waits alone. This is meant for anyone who thinks its ok to call a pre-op or non-op trans a shemale, and that includes the TSes themselves who think its ok to be called that.