So who makes Electric-Wheel-Motors . ? Thanks A-1 for G R E A T ref's..

Adding the Electric Propulsion "outside and separate" from the regular motor system

might not be so difficult. Push the Electric Button to get "Electric Rocket Assist".

Good Truck 12 Volt Batteries are about $600 each. N3RF

Beau Geste,

A-1 (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:59 pm Die-hard batteries form Sears have a 5-year warranty. I had one once that had a lifetime warranty but it came from Montgomery Wards.

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Car batteries last fairly long because they're kept charged. If they're discharged completly before being recharged, they won't last very long at all. That's why RV's use deep cycle batteries, because regular car batteries would fail after being completely discharged a few times. In a motor home I had, I had to replace even the deep cycle batteries every few years. I'm not saying that they haven't solved -- or can't solve this problem -- just that the 5 year -- or lifetime -- guarantee means nothing, given the way car batteries are used.

Dear all EXPERIMENTERS et al.

I l ike this one very much. Adding and Electric Propulsion system on the side of Your regular gas engine is a very simple step to take. The Auto wheels with the Electric Motor built in is the way to go, so I still need the source and the price. With an on and of switch for "power boost" or "rocket power boost" respectively is a simple way to go and when the juice runds out uou use the Regular power etc, to get back home...

A-1 (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:22 pm http://www.motherearthnews.com/Alternat ... _June_July

/1993_Update__Dave_Arthur_s_Amazing_Hybrid_Electric _Car

Thanks A-1 for the info. N3RF

n3rf (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:19 am Dear all EXPERIMENTERS et al.

I l ike this one very much. Adding and Electric Propulsion system on the side of Your regular gas engine is a very simple step to take. The Auto wheels with the Electric Motor built in is the way to go, so I still need the source and the price. With an on and of switch for "power boost" or "rocket power boost" respectively is a simple way to go and when the juice runds out uou use the Regular power etc, to get back home...

A-1 (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:22 pm http://www.motherearthnews.com/Alternat ... _June_July

/1993_Update__Dave_Arthur_s_Amazing_Hybrid_Electric _Car

Thanks A-1 for the info. N3RF

Look at this site

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/08 ... d_mini.php

I hope that it is what you are talking about. If so, I will try to find a source for the motors on the wheels.

I think that it uses these...

http://www.pmlflightlink.com/motors/wheelmotors.html

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Well - I will read these for sure. If it is this simple to get your wheel off Your car, and replace them whith these ELECTRICAL wheels, You then wire up to You on-and off switch and with the bank of standard batteries ads propulsion when ever You need it. How simple can it get ?? Thanks Johan N3RF

Next step is a FLANE in everyones Garage === FLAPPING WING AIR-CAR... N3RF

There are a few small companies doing gasoline-to-electric conversions. One is in my home town. However, they're using lead-acid batteries which , I am sure, is NOT the answer. About thirty years ago, I did some calculations on the requirements for a practical electric car using lead-acid batteries and concluded that they're much too heavy for the power delivered and too slow to charge.

The solution to the problem of developing a practical electric car, having a usable cruising range and an acceptable charging time lies in the development of better batteries. The new lithium-ion batteries are probably the answer. I'm not sure, but I think that that is the type of battery used in the Tesla roadster, which except for price, fits my definition of a practical electric car.

One thing disturbs me about the hybrids and may also apply to some of the all-electric cars. That is the use of dangerously high voltages, reportedly on the order of 600 volts. I fail to see the need for this. The current has only a few feet to travel. Surely lower and safer voltages could be employed. All of the electric cars of the pre-World War I period ran on 84 volts.

Bagoas (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:15 am One thing disturbs me about the hybrids and may also apply to some of the all-electric cars. That is the use of dangerously high voltages, reportedly on the order of 600 volts. I fail to see the need for this. The current has only a few feet to travel. Surely lower and safer voltages could be employed. All of the electric cars of the pre-World War I period ran on 84 volts.

I believe the reasoning here is that when you increase the voltage, you decrease the amps needed. I've seen this with some appliances. If you wire them to run on 120 volts it might consume 30 amps, but if you wire it to run on 240 volts, that same appliance may only draw 15 amps. I don't know the math but you can see how this might be beneficial for an electric vehicle. Less amps means lighter wires, lighter motor, less draw on the batteries, etc.

Christina (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:32 am I believe the reasoning here is that when you increase the voltage, you decrease the amps needed. I've seen this with some appliances. If you wire them to run on 120 volts it might consume 30 amps, but if you wire it to run on 240 volts, that same appliance may only draw 15 amps. I don't know the math but you can see how this might be beneficial for an electric vehicle.

That is correct Christina, if you increase the voltage the amps reduce on a 1:1 base. This is done because you need less ticker wires to transport the amps. This reduce in weight and highers efficiance. A small example: the powerline are about 300.000 volts and the amps are only about 100(i dont know the exact numbers) Here in europa we use 240volts so if we do a small math, 300.000 / 240 = 1250. 1250 * 100 = 125.000 amps if you would transport in on 240v you need wires as thick as buildings else they would melt.

Power loss, due to resistance is I (current) squared, times R (resistance), so if you double the amount of current, you get four times the power loss. If you triple the current, you get 9 times the power loss. Power delivered is IE, Current times voltage, so 5 amps at 240 volts delivers the same power as 10 amps at 120 volts, but at a quarter of the power loss due to the resistance inherent in the system.

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:57 am This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_electric_vehicle) is a Battery Electric Vehicle.

E-V 1's CRUSHED by GM after their program. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... rushed.jpg)

Reviews (http://www.google.com/movies/reviews?ci ... views&cd=1) of "Who Killed the Electric Car?

See the trailer. (http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony/whok ... ectriccar/)

Don't work, click here! (http://news.sonyclassics.com/sb40/SCL/d87374_89067.htm)

Indian Company (http://www.revaindia.com/) poised to corner the market in electric vehicles. --- So much for the theory about the "Third World" oil consumption tied to national development.

MY CHOICE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzero) of electric vehicle --

--- I need to get the price down some, though...

LK how it works. (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/electric-car.htm)

BULLSHIT FROM GM'S "OFFICIAL" PROPAGANDA SITE! (http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/fastlane_Blog.html#EV1)

Wouldn't Joseph Goebbels (http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goebmain.htm) be proud of GM?

Do it yourself electric car conversions (http://www.electroauto.com/index.html) of existing cars.

FUCK GM, Chrysler-Damien and FFFORD...

...and their friends, the oil companies...





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COMMENTS, PLEASE...

Thank-you for your post. This must be one of the most important posts ever made, following the recent posts about peak oil levels.

Now please go and post it onto every web site you can think of because the wide.wide.world should hear your opinion (and debate it)

If the peak oil stories are correct then I hope for GM’s sake that they kept their notes, because they will be needing them, sooner rather than later!

These little cars (or similar) you describe are already on the road in Britain according to news reports we have seen here (in the 52 state).

Not so long ago a bloke received a fair amount of media coverage because he had bought the exclusive franchising rights to sell them in Australia. His first imported car, still hasn’t cleared customs in Melbourne, (after two years) and in all that time he has not been able to convince any of the eight governments in Australia to register it for road use. They consistently say that they haven’t got a category for that type of car. The stats supplied were that it would cost 1c ($0.01 Aud) to run 160kms (Approx 100miles US)

I can see where they are coming from, (like 70% excise on fuel sales at the bowser) but I don’t like where this going. Will any of us?