Re: Taking the Plunge.....Again
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:34 pm
Primarily because of the request of a co-worker/friend, I recently went out on a date. The general consensus is that the date probably did not go well. While we seemed to have no trouble making conversation (though I did not necessarily feel that we were “clicking”), she made an excuse about needing to get work done almost immediately after I paid the dinner bill. She in no way thanked me for the date, paying for dinner, or holding the door open for her as we entered the restaurant (it is tricky in this day and age to determine whether to do this – some women expect it while others are offended by it, but I decided to do it since my understanding from the co-worker/friend was that she is old-fashioned). But probably the biggest indicator that it did not go well was her silence when I asked her via Facebook about another date. I have since unfriended her as potential dating was the only reason for the friendship, and she does not seem like a nice person (I am not typically a big manners person, but a “thank you” seems appropriate even if she did not enjoy the date).
While at least I was not stood up after a long drive like the last time I attempted a date, this situation nonetheless does not help me feel good about dating. It is difficult to tell whether it was the nature of our conversation that turned her off (though I did not feel we would be particularly compatible based on that either, but I agreed to ask her out again and give it a second chance at the request of the co-worker/friend) or whether she decided she was not attracted to me physically, perhaps because of my eunuchoid features. She wasn’t a supermodel herself, but I have also seen much worse. If there is a numerical system that rates attractiveness, I would say our numbers were close to the same.
After discussing the date with the co-worker/friend who suggested it, I did something surprising, which was come out to her as a eunuch. I did not use the words “eunuch,” “testicles,” or “castrated,” but the way I described it could really leave no doubt. I mentioned that I had no testosterone because of “parts” that were removed and thus very little, if any, sex drive. I was truthful in that I said it was voluntary and because at the time I believed I wanted to be a woman. Coming out to her wasn’t something I was intending to do, and she is the first person I have ever told outside of relatives, doctors, and this website, but it happened. Fortunately, she is someone I am 99% sure I can trust.
My reason for coming out was because she suggested that I keep trying to date, and I wanted to explain to her why a traditional relationship is not something I have a significant interest in pursuing and why even if I did, it probably would not work. It’s the first time I have told someone in real life about why a relationship is not high on my priorities list, and I suppose it is something I was bound to tell someone sooner or later.
We talked more about what kind of relationship I was interested in pursuing, and I ended up realizing some things about myself that have me very interested in discovering the nature of my sexuality and what I am looking for in a relationship.
We basically came to the conclusion that what I am probably looking for is one of those so-called “platonic” relationships. I want deep emotional intimacy and perhaps some forms of physical intimacy, but I am not particularly interested in sex. This is of course true now because of my eunuch status, but I am now curious as to whether this may have always been the case for me, even before I became a eunuch.
My landlord (who is another person I ended up telling about not wanting a traditional relationship, but not about being a eunuch) suggested that I might be asexual. She didn’t know how right she was, but probably not for the reasons she was thinking. She seemed to be suggesting it was my natural sexual orientation rather than for medical reasons.
My experiences prior to being a eunuch can probably rule this out because I did have sexual feelings back then, and I still do when I resume taking T.
But while I did experience feelings, I never seemed to have a need to act on them, at least not outside of myself. I masturbated much like any other young man (although I did not begin until 16, which seems rather late), but I never showed much interest in traditional sex or even dating. I was never sexually aggressive with girls or women my age, nor did I ever initiate any flirting. I did once have a friend tell a girl that I was physically interested in her, and I told another one myself, but I felt the latter was more platonic.
To be fair, girls/women never showed much interest in me either, and some might argue that this could have somehow contributed to low self-esteem that masked an otherwise traditional interest in sex and dating.
However, the one time that I did go on a date as a teenager (with someone I met online, one of those “desperate” types that I tend to attract), I never pursued any sort of physical intimacy with her. We did hold hands for a brief time, but that was as far as it went. Near the end of the date she was standing there across from me for some time, and it seemed pretty clear she wanted something more to happen, but I never initiated anything.
Some could argue that it was once again low self-esteem/shyness that was the culprit rather than a lack of interest, but I also recall how pornography has never really done anything for me. Almost all men seem to have some degree of interest in it, but even when I had testosterone, it just never really turned me on. A group of guys at school that I sometimes hung out with would stand around looking at pornography-filled magazines, and I would stand off to the side because it wasn’t something I was particularly interested in.
Kissing doesn’t seem to hold any special interest for me either (although to be fair, that could be because of my eunuch status). Traditional sex has rarely been a part of my masturbatory fantasies, even before becoming a eunuch.
I often thought and wrote of an intense longing for a best friend when growing up, but I did not speak much of wanting a girlfriend. Perhaps this suggests that my idea of romantic relationships (I hesitate to use the term “romantic” because my interpretation has always assumed the involvement of sexual attraction, but recent research I have conducted suggests this is not necessarily so) is more platonic than sexual. Certainly now as a eunuch I would almost certainly prefer a platonic relationship to its sexual counterpart. I do enjoy hugs, hand-holding, and perhaps cuddling a great deal, but I don’t have a need for much more physical intimacy. Even no physical contact could probably be acceptable provided there was a strong emotional bond.
Can I find this kind of relationship? Are there people (I imagine that gender would not matter in a true platonic relationship, although I always imagined that best friend would be female) looking for such a relationship? The co-worker/friend said the woman I dated would probably not accept my eunuch status and would be looking for a more traditional relationship but also said that platonic relationships and even marriages are not out of the question. My landlord mentioned that apparently there are websites designed to find partners who are looking for the kind of relationship I imagine (although one I looked at involves giving a description of various physical features, which doesn’t make sense to me if the relationship is platonic), so perhaps I should give it a try.
While at least I was not stood up after a long drive like the last time I attempted a date, this situation nonetheless does not help me feel good about dating. It is difficult to tell whether it was the nature of our conversation that turned her off (though I did not feel we would be particularly compatible based on that either, but I agreed to ask her out again and give it a second chance at the request of the co-worker/friend) or whether she decided she was not attracted to me physically, perhaps because of my eunuchoid features. She wasn’t a supermodel herself, but I have also seen much worse. If there is a numerical system that rates attractiveness, I would say our numbers were close to the same.
After discussing the date with the co-worker/friend who suggested it, I did something surprising, which was come out to her as a eunuch. I did not use the words “eunuch,” “testicles,” or “castrated,” but the way I described it could really leave no doubt. I mentioned that I had no testosterone because of “parts” that were removed and thus very little, if any, sex drive. I was truthful in that I said it was voluntary and because at the time I believed I wanted to be a woman. Coming out to her wasn’t something I was intending to do, and she is the first person I have ever told outside of relatives, doctors, and this website, but it happened. Fortunately, she is someone I am 99% sure I can trust.
My reason for coming out was because she suggested that I keep trying to date, and I wanted to explain to her why a traditional relationship is not something I have a significant interest in pursuing and why even if I did, it probably would not work. It’s the first time I have told someone in real life about why a relationship is not high on my priorities list, and I suppose it is something I was bound to tell someone sooner or later.
We talked more about what kind of relationship I was interested in pursuing, and I ended up realizing some things about myself that have me very interested in discovering the nature of my sexuality and what I am looking for in a relationship.
We basically came to the conclusion that what I am probably looking for is one of those so-called “platonic” relationships. I want deep emotional intimacy and perhaps some forms of physical intimacy, but I am not particularly interested in sex. This is of course true now because of my eunuch status, but I am now curious as to whether this may have always been the case for me, even before I became a eunuch.
My landlord (who is another person I ended up telling about not wanting a traditional relationship, but not about being a eunuch) suggested that I might be asexual. She didn’t know how right she was, but probably not for the reasons she was thinking. She seemed to be suggesting it was my natural sexual orientation rather than for medical reasons.
My experiences prior to being a eunuch can probably rule this out because I did have sexual feelings back then, and I still do when I resume taking T.
But while I did experience feelings, I never seemed to have a need to act on them, at least not outside of myself. I masturbated much like any other young man (although I did not begin until 16, which seems rather late), but I never showed much interest in traditional sex or even dating. I was never sexually aggressive with girls or women my age, nor did I ever initiate any flirting. I did once have a friend tell a girl that I was physically interested in her, and I told another one myself, but I felt the latter was more platonic.
To be fair, girls/women never showed much interest in me either, and some might argue that this could have somehow contributed to low self-esteem that masked an otherwise traditional interest in sex and dating.
However, the one time that I did go on a date as a teenager (with someone I met online, one of those “desperate” types that I tend to attract), I never pursued any sort of physical intimacy with her. We did hold hands for a brief time, but that was as far as it went. Near the end of the date she was standing there across from me for some time, and it seemed pretty clear she wanted something more to happen, but I never initiated anything.
Some could argue that it was once again low self-esteem/shyness that was the culprit rather than a lack of interest, but I also recall how pornography has never really done anything for me. Almost all men seem to have some degree of interest in it, but even when I had testosterone, it just never really turned me on. A group of guys at school that I sometimes hung out with would stand around looking at pornography-filled magazines, and I would stand off to the side because it wasn’t something I was particularly interested in.
Kissing doesn’t seem to hold any special interest for me either (although to be fair, that could be because of my eunuch status). Traditional sex has rarely been a part of my masturbatory fantasies, even before becoming a eunuch.
I often thought and wrote of an intense longing for a best friend when growing up, but I did not speak much of wanting a girlfriend. Perhaps this suggests that my idea of romantic relationships (I hesitate to use the term “romantic” because my interpretation has always assumed the involvement of sexual attraction, but recent research I have conducted suggests this is not necessarily so) is more platonic than sexual. Certainly now as a eunuch I would almost certainly prefer a platonic relationship to its sexual counterpart. I do enjoy hugs, hand-holding, and perhaps cuddling a great deal, but I don’t have a need for much more physical intimacy. Even no physical contact could probably be acceptable provided there was a strong emotional bond.
Can I find this kind of relationship? Are there people (I imagine that gender would not matter in a true platonic relationship, although I always imagined that best friend would be female) looking for such a relationship? The co-worker/friend said the woman I dated would probably not accept my eunuch status and would be looking for a more traditional relationship but also said that platonic relationships and even marriages are not out of the question. My landlord mentioned that apparently there are websites designed to find partners who are looking for the kind of relationship I imagine (although one I looked at involves giving a description of various physical features, which doesn’t make sense to me if the relationship is platonic), so perhaps I should give it a try.