Hmmm, I have to beg to differ with the photos taken. There was no "SEX" involved they were proceedural and documentary photos of a surgical proceedure and healing.

And all my other ones usually fall under piercing proceedures.

That's what I would argure.

I hope so, Luvpain. I pray they do see it this way. The problem is that some people may find them arousing (even if that's not the reason they were taken!)

Imagine a woman trampling a man. Some people find that arousing, even though there may be no indication the man getting trampled is sexually aroused (presumably he'd be enjoying it, or else he would be there!)

So even though, no sex act is being performed, and not even necessarily any nudity, nor any gratification. It could still be termed "sexual violence" because some may find it violent, and because the viewer may find it sexually arousing (even if the photographer may not have!)

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But I suspect you may be right (I really hope so!). My fear is, that this argument may need to be saved for a defense case at court, not a means of avoiding this law.

I suppose the bottom line is that violence, and sexual are very subjective, and could be in the eye of the beholder alone. Defending against allegations of a crime based on thoughts and mindset alone in court is something nobody should have to do in free nations.

George Orwells 1984!

~Rog

Well as for Piercings and Castration photos done properly Violence and abusive should not be an issue. Yeah some people find them to be sexual stimulating, but piercings are done everyday and are not violent. A castration preformed by a Doctor wouldn't be violent or abusive, and even most done by "skilled cutters" are not.

Now I could see the photos I have of my CBT especially with the needles stuck in my testicles as having some problems. Although that was self done and the scene was not violent or abusive, although they could argue it was abusing my body. Although somewhere I have a video of me doing it which would prove I was doing it myself and basiclly enjoying it.

Hopefully it doesn't have to come down to using this argument in court, but I'm pretty sure if you had a good lawyer it could work.

Sorry chaps, but the position is already grave and hopeless- forget that rubbish about consultation- (we surely didn't expect them to actually DO that exercise did we??) it has now become impossible to get BME at all now in the UK, and I am expecting the Eunuch Archive to be the next- mark my words!

You can be put in prison in the UK just for what you have in your brain- the so called Human Rights (EU) legislation is completely ignored- at least the US has the Bill of Rights. No wonder the UK continues to be the laughing stock of Europe with it's outdated attitude to sexual matters, and there is not a bloody thing we can do about it- and it stinks!

Cheers while I can still say it-

Quillman UK

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:27 pm That's why I fully support the idea of the .xxx domain.

I never thought of that, but that's BLOODY SMART!!! I like it! Good luck getting it to work, but it wouls certainly limit the problem of children looking up for instance "US History" and coming up with porn. Make it easy to filter. I love the idea!!! good thinkin!!! *wink*

Quillman, you're not alone. I couldn't access EA for a whole day not so long ago. Internet Explorer just said "Page Cannot Be found", and Mozilla Firefox gave an even more bizarre message "Banned due to sexually explicit content". I don't know what caused this, but it cleared after about 6 hours. I wasn't able to PING www.eunuch.org either! Which is when I figured something fundamental was up! But this could have just been "internet turbulance" not related to this legal issue, I don't know.

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If it happens, there is a remedy! Even if you know for a fact your country is denied access to a specific server

Google "Public Proxy" and click the first link you find. Choose a proxy IP that is "High Anonymity" and from outside the UK...

If you're using Internet Explorer click:

Tools->Internet Options->Connections->Lan Settings

If you're using Mozilla Firefox

Tools->Options->Connection Settings

Click the checkbox to enable Proxy, and enter the IP and socket address here.

Access will be slower, and some proxies will ban some websites (some of them balk at the word "eunuch" or "castration") but many are fine.

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The internet was designed by the Americans in case of a Soviet nuclear strike in the 70's, and it would be impossible for any government to block access entirely. The system works too well! LOL

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Quillman -- just an edit. BME works fine from my machine, but if - as you say, access is blocked, it is likely done on the ISP-level, so this is exactly the kind of symptoms that will gradually become more widespread. So it will depend on your service provider. I'm on Blueyonder... 82.42.x.x

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[Another edit!] Just wanted to say you're right Patient, I'm unable to ping now, even though I can access the website okay. So this must have not been related to the accessing problems!

thefraj (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:08 am I wasn't able to PING www.eunuch.org either!

In my experience there are two likely causes of failure to ping:

1. The server you are trying to reach has been configured to refuse to respond to a ping request. In this case you are not going to get a ping response until the configuration is changed.

2. The address resolution tables available to your host do not contain an entry for the domain you are trying to reach. Because these tables are dynamic this situation may "go away" after a while, but if your ISP is blocking this domain you won't get relief until they change their policy or you replace them.

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Uncle Flo (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:51 am Members in the U.S. should not for one minute think that this can not happen to them. There are forces at work right now to limit what subjects can and can not be publicly discussed or which images can or can not be shown. Any subject can be defined as "pornography" or as "obscenity" since both terms seem to have no concrete meaning but are entirely subjective. --FLO--

For just that reason, BME has moved to a Canadian server

Well i for one would be prepared to fight for my right to access the archive.....as it is a lifeline for many people and cannot really be placed under an obscene sight as it does not list pictures of violent acts and could almost be classed as a factual sight that offers support and advice.

As for BME i have to admit i do not really access that as it does not hold much interest to me to see pics of severe medical procedures....OK it has some fantastic pictures of piecings and tattoo's but for me pics of actual castrations etc is not for me.

I would also like to see how they will police it!

There are plenty of sights hosted in Amsterdam that are classed as containing obscene material including interspecies sexual practices....so i doubt this is to much to worry about but it will be interesting to see what happens.

Sadly I have to say that you will be wrong if my experience with the Police is anything to go by (currently awaiting possible trial) just for what I have in my brain- really doing me in! Unfortunately this once proud Nation has made itself the laughing stock of Europe and the rest of the World with it's outdated and ridiculous Obscenity Laws, UK citizens can be put in prison for the most menial of charges (including mine) only last week some chap was given a suspended sentence for lying about a Qualification for a job, and other blokes like me are already serving terms in prison because they just want to look at nude photographs of children innocently posing without any kind of sexual activity- absolutely crazy! At least the US has got the First (?) amendment, our Bill of Human Rights is blatantly ignored as our bloody Government actively seeks to populate our already overcrowded prisons.

I wish I could share your enthusiasm to "fight for Rights" but it is already a lost cause - this so called consultation exercise (this Government has a long record of consultation- equally long record of ignoring the results) and NO ONE will grasp the nettle to defend our beliefs. Amsterdam has always been a shining example to the rest of Europe whereas Britain has to be the worse by far.

What I also said was that the censorship of BME and like sites has already started, it is impossible to subscribe to the BME site now, the UK pulls the plug with the one hand and debates the issue with the other.

I will give you one example of how stupid the UK censorship has become. Some while ago I purchased from a High Street Store an illustrated book for children on sex and growing up, quite charming and quite innocent as you might expect. The British Authoress is very well known in the UK and frequently appears on TV. However I happened to work in France for a week and when visiting a French Supermarket noticed the SAME book but in French. The pictures however were different and far more revealing especially in detailed genitalia of the boy and girl involved, an absolutely beautiful book- presumably if the book had been discovered in my possession at the Port, I could have been arrested- now HOW CRAZY (and depressing) IS THAT??

Sorry to be so negative, but I fear things are going to get worse rather than any better.

Cheers

Quillman UK