Eunuch.org and BME about to become illegal in UK?

[thefraj (imported)]

Due to new laws being proposed offenders could face a maximum of 3 years in prison for downloading violent sexual images or content of a violent sexual nature. (which I can only assume will include castration).

"We know from that particular case, the horrendous case of Jane Longhurst ... that these images do have an impact, do feed the fantasies in certain individuals," said Paul Goggins, UK Home Office Minister.

Interested parties have until Dec. 2 to comment on the consultation paper. It would then be drafted into a bill and would have to pass through Parliament before taking effect.

Mr Goggins also said such images were "extremely offensive to the vast majority" and had no place in society.

And went on to say:

"These forms of violent and abusive pornography go far beyond what we allow to be shown in films or even sold in licensed sex shops in the UK, so they should not be available online either."

Although this law is primarily targetting Necrophillia, and Bestiality it covers a broad range and is also designed to target sexual violence against individuals. which - must surely include castration?

BBC News Article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4195332.stm)

CNN News (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/30/uk.internet/)

Daily Mail Article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770)

I have to say if it takes effect, I've no idea where it leaves the UK members of eunuch.org?

In the most extreme case: do I become a criminal because I am in possession of photos of my own procedure? Since they are violent, and could (by some) be considered sexual.

Anyone have any thoughts? I'm terrified!

[Quillman (imported)]

Yes, all of us in the UK are terrified as this once Great Britain continues to descend into the Dark Ages- as if things were not bad enough already! I could well go to prison in the next few months for the only crime of LOOKING at pictures which offend the bloody Obscene Publications Act which came through the Internet.

I always believed that it is a basic Human Right for my sexuality to be nobody's business but my own. Don't get me wrong, I would be the first in the queue to condem anybody who harmed a child (or an adult) THEN prison is justified and throw away the key- BUT there is little or no evidence to show that harm can be caused just by viewing porno material either by the Internet or any other means- and what about the other enlightened countries (even in the EU) whom view this material in thousands- it certainly does not lead to child abuse or sex deviation as a consequence as it should do according to these so called "experts."

However like everything else in the UK at the moment there is nobody that can take a lead and fight back, just wish that there was!

Quillman UK

[SplitDik (imported)]

BME might well become illegal in UK, but I doubt that eunuch.org would. That's because they are primarily targeting images, which the EA judiciously does not serve. Even if they wanted to broaden their scope to written word, I'm sure they'll be overwhelmed trying to censor the bestiality and S&M images and we'll be safe.

While I am all for freedom of expression and sexual orientation, I think society does have to make some safe places for those who would rather stay mainstream. That's why I fully support the idea of the .xxx domain.

Also, there is definitely porn being made that exploits people. Very few of the women actually enjoy what they're doing (I know quite a few because Vancouver is actually one of the largest porn producing cities in the world). Bestiality and pedophilia of course deal with "actors" that can't legally consent to what is being done to them.

So society does have a right to (a) put edgy stuff in an out of the way place and (b) enforce anti-exploitation.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Due to new laws being proposed offenders could face a maximum of 3 years in prison for downloading violent sexual images or content of a violent sexual nature. (which I can only assume will include castration).

"We know from that particular case, the horrendous case of Jane Longhurst ... that these images do have an impact, do feed the fantasies in certain individuals," said Paul Goggins, UK Home Office Minister.

Interested parties have until Dec. 2 to comment on the consultation paper. It would then be drafted into a bill and would have to pass through Parliament before taking effect.

Mr Goggins also said such images were "extremely offensive to the vast majority" and had no place in society.

And went on to say:

"These forms of violent and abusive pornography go far beyond what we allow to be shown in films or even sold in licensed sex shops in the UK, so they should not be available online either."

Although this law is primarily targetting Necrophillia, and Bestiality it covers a broad range and is also designed to target sexual violence against individuals. which - must surely include castration?

BBC News Article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4195332.stm)

CNN News (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/30/uk.internet/)

Daily Mail Article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770)

I have to say if it takes effect, I've no idea where it leaves the UK members of eunuch.org?

In the most extreme case: do I become a criminal because I am in possession of photos of my own procedure? Since they are violent, and could (by some) be considered sexual.

Anyone have any thoughts? I'm terrified!

Damn Roger, does that mean they could come after me? I know I am in some of those pictures as well. If we were to loose our UK friends I think I would be very disappointed in both countries, yours and mine. Much of the laws and attitude of the people of the UK and USA are the same, you were right to call them father and son. If it starts their look for the USA to follow, they seem to do that.

Censership laws of any kind are wrong; censership should be applied at the personal level.

[thefraj (imported)]

Hehe, well - to be fair - you were never involved in any of the actual "violence" (unless, of course hugs count!)

And I'm holding my breath to see the exact wording of the bill - that could make all the difference; whether members here are persecuted could hang on a single word:

consider:

Images of a violent sexual nature

Content of a violent sexual nature

But no matter what happens, as long as people here in the UK can stick together like glue, and not allow a single member to be taken away, I'm sure things will work out fine.

I feel it's like the poem written by Pastor Martin Niemöller in the Second World War:

First they came for the Jews

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left

to speak out for me.

[Paolo]

That is ONE good thing about living in the USA - I can buy all the guns and ammo I want, and no one will say a thing about it. So that when 'they' come for me, I can take a few of them out with me!

[An Onymus (imported)]

Curious--Can a website like eunuch.org (or, for that matter, BME) be partitioned, so that a sanitized version can be sent to ip addresses specific to a country like the UK, and the full version can be sent to places without restrictive laws? According to what I have read, something like this is done by the Chinese government so that certain types of content never reach users in the People's Republic. Come to think of it, though, I don't think ip addresses are necessarily specific to individual countries.

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

Members in the U.S. should not for one minute think that this can not happen to them. There are forces at work right now to limit what subjects can and can not be publicly discussed or which images can or can not be shown. Any subject can be defined as "pornography" or as "obscenity" since both terms seem to have no concrete meaning but are entirely subjective. --FLO--

[thefraj (imported)]

Hehe, well, I think in all seriousness, theres something to be said about politically polarising this argument, no matter which party in your home country you support. I think we can all agree we should be free to think the thoughts we do, and have a right to who we are (even though other citizens may disagree... that's the whole point of democracy!)

(I'm not suggesting using a deserted farm for training how to kill civilians who refuse to recognise our right to exist!), but in case any country decides to try and persecute members, we would have an international pool of support that no single government could break up. We have a vested interest in each others' wellfare. Especially in foriegn nations.

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Hehe, kind of like an international rights group...and We could even have a cool logo like:

http://thefraj.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/un-butterfly.jpg

(Eunuchted Nations?)

Hehe, okay I'm done being silly!

~Rog.

[crash69_10940 (imported)]

That is ONE good thing about living in the USA - I can buy all the guns and ammo I want, and no one will say a thing about it. So that when 'they' come for me, I can take a few of them out with me!

some of us are already getting ready for that day for it will come

and paolo if the goverment thought they could get away with outlawing guns they would.