I recently realized that I was in a more weakened state and not feeling quite right, then I came to my senses and realized I had not used any testosterone for two or three days. Since I'm a "low doser," meaning that I only use a small amount to keep my "t" levels at around 120/150, when I miss for a couple days, my body weakens, depression starts, etc. So I rubbed some on, upped the amount actually and over night started feeling better and more like myself or the self I like.

Today I was listening to an ex-major leaguer named Nulty? Played some for the Twins & Yankees, but was using steroids the whole time, though he stated he stopped the roids when he went to the Yankees and began using HGH instead. Needless to say, he didn't last long and only played 4 years in the majors. I'm sure he has some residual effects from his years of steroid abuse, but I'm wondering if topical testosterone can be applied in quantities that could be classified as "steroid abuse?" I'm sure that sometimes I've used too much and it has the opposite effect on me. Do steroid abusers ever use too much with bad results? Hash

I don't have an answer to your qquestion but I have to say after two years at a level of about 2.7, my urologist put me back on the daily dose instead of the every other day dose. I was feeling listless and not much energy, sometime easy to get upset (although I kept my muth shut each time) and not sleeping well. He wants to see if going back to my original dosage will help in those respects. I was hoping to cut it out but when I got to feeling that way on the low dosage...and loss of energy....I decided that the daily dose would be right for me. that makes me taking a 5 gram tube daily and thus getting 50 mg .

Topical T would be very difficult to abuse for steroid purposes. This is because the amount you would need over time would be ridiculously high. Injectables are really the only option steroid users choose because it is much easier to get their levels where they want them on shots, and far cheaper. The cost of gel or patches that would be needed to achieve those levels over a long-term basis would be well into the thousands of dollars. With shots, a decent cycle can be purchased for about $500.

Do steroid users ever get bad results? Most certainly. In extreme and unlucky cases, liver damage and heart disease have been reported. But the most common bad side effects are testicular failure (very common - the balls automatically shut down when exogenous hormones are administered, and getting them started again is diffcult for the most experienced and hopeless for the ignorant) and infertility. Now, if you don't have balls, then obviously the ball side effects are not something you would have to worry about. But you still have the risks of liver damage, baldness, acne, problems due to E conversion, and other issues.

I admit, as a eunuch who takes testosterone via IM injection, it's extremely tempting to abuse T and see what "roids" can do. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately), even with T I lack the motivation to spend the hours per day in a gym to really bulk up. That, and I couldn't afford a gym membership. Heheh. Still, I'm fairly confident that there are other eunuchs who do use testosterone for that purpose, and I'd be willing to bet there is at least one on this board who does so.

I agree with Plix that topical would definitely not be the way to go. I've tried pills, patches, the gel, and shots. Of the four options, the shots definitely have the most bang for the buck. Around here, a 10ml vial of 100mg/ml Depo Testosterone is less than $50 at the pharmacy. That's easily 1/2 to 1/4 the cost of the equivalent amount of any other form of testosterone. Not that I'd recommend anyone abuse testosterone for steroid purposes.

Steroid users really never have any life threatening side effects. Do NOT keep listen to the mass media. I am a steroid "abusers", by most people's standards, BTW. And I have many friends who are like me. There are MILLIONS of us out there. Everyone is healthy

As far as topical "mega dosing" that was questioned here, the only side effects would almost certainly be over aggression, as the type of testosterone in the gel is very potent, androgenically speaking. But is none toxic. Injectable tesosterone is also rather non-toxic, but far less andrgenic. It's main side effect at high dose would be ball shrinkage. BUT, this same effect also happens with this form of testosterone, even at low doses. In fact, it is used as a male contraceptive, at only 200mg/wk because it dose shrink nuts. So to say it has side effects if "abused" is not accurate, as it has the same side effect even if not "abused".

Have to agree with my Buddy Testman. years on test and prohormones with NO serious permenant side effects.

The "steroid scandal" was MANUFACTURED to cover the DEA's inability to control real narcotics coming over the border and to divert media attention AWAy from other failed policies.

Nice pic, Hash, and welcome back, Testman!

sealforvr (imported) wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:13 am Have to agree with my Buddy Testman. years on test and prohormones with NO serious permenant side effects.

The "steroid scandal" was MANUFACTURED to cover the DEA's inability to control real narcotics coming over the border and to divert media attention AWAy from other failed policies.

Nice pic, Hash, and welcome back, Testman!

Agreed, I couldn't have said it any better.....

IEunuch,

Just was wondering how the shots affect you. I'm tempted to try them because a tube of compounded "t" costs me $120. bucks. When you first get injected, does your testosterone skyrocket? Do you feel as though you can't control your sexual desires? Does it slowly level off over time and will I get to the end of the month dragging myself into the Doc's office for another shot? Hash

Hash (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:43 am IEunuch,

Just was wondering how the shots affect you. I'm tempted to try them because a tube of compounded "t" costs me $120. bucks. When you first get injected, does your testosterone skyrocket? Do you feel as though you can't control your sexual desires? Does it slowly level off over time and will I get to the end of the month dragging myself into the Doc's office for another shot? Hash

Gels are nice because they mimic a normal male "cycle." That is 24 hours from peak to dip. I can't speak for anyone else but injectables can be a really bad roller coaster effect with a spike at about day 3 and tailing off to lower and lower levels so that if its a long time between injections your feeling pretty low when you press the plunger. The trick it so use small doses but do them frequently. That keeps the peak from making you too crazy and the dip from making you want to pull your own head off.

It varies with men but ask to have it done weekly (or 8 or 9 days) and go for around 100mg or a tad more to achieve normal male levels. It also varies with the type of Testosterone you use. There are some really long lasting stuff but I've heard nothing but bad news about it as it doesn't really last long enough.