• Eunuch Foreign Policy

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:21 am**

I write this after some careful thought, and being refreshed with the emotions I felt on the subject.

We are probably all a little dissapointed with Barts article and the - imagined - consequences of outsiders reading.

While it would be easy to focus on the anger, I for one, think it would be far more constructive to devise a system to prevent this happening in future.

Obviously, people come here freely and are free to talk with whomever they choose.

There may come another point in the future where another journalist/reporter will try to contact members through EA boards or chatrooms.

My idea is this: Such people should immediately have their account deleted and IP address banned. And then, offer them the chance to liason with EA administrators - who will be able to determine if this person - as often happens - will be likely to harm the community if they are allowed to continue their journalism.

If we run across another person like Bart (who may write something favourable, if given the correct people to speak with), the adminstrators may then have the choice to direct the person to 'mainstream' members and people who are perhaps more representative and less likely to harm the community.

If the journalist or reporter does not like this idea, then we know they are out looking for a 'particular someone'. This will be the warning sign and give the administrators the freedom to ban these people from reaching members of their choice via EA.

Obviously, nobody can stop individuals contacting this person outside of EA - but if we prevent anyone from using EA to reach members adlib via chat and forum this way, we limit the potential for damage.

I for one am so very tired of having this whole community dragged through the mud; knowing that - firstly it's a great community filled with wonderful people. And knowing that to get anywhere - we have to somehow allow information to be published on the subject.

This is just my suggestion, and I would be curious to know what others think.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:27 am**

Rog,

You can't say that the people here were not warned well in advance about the possible negative outcome of that article. There were plenty of red flags put up. I would guess that the lure of having 15 minutes of fame and glory might have tempted anyone.

But going so far as to ban someone who offers such promises is a bit much I think. I, for one, would like to see these writers stick around and maybe even learn a few things from all of us (wishful thinking perhaps).

I would be more inclined to offer an interview to someone from say The Learning Channel or Discovery Channel. Those folks have done a number of very good documentaries on other subjects in the past and, in my opinion, are way overdue on a documentary about eunuchs.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:10 pm**

I agree, and I'm not suggesting we should ban them entirely - simply that we should moderate so that they cannot talk to just about anyone.

I personally think the admin should have a say in who a potential interviewer should talk be able to talk to. If they come from somewhere reputable like the Discovery Channel - then this would be up to people like yourself to say "yes, I think this person would　do the community good".

What I'm not at all happy with, is a random reporter being allowed to contact some guy who's visited EA say, twice - who have no interest in becoming a eunuch, other than as a sexual fantasy.

This may not be such a big deal to people who have an another catagory (such as "transsexual") to belong to. Society already recognizes them and good and bad things have been written and publicized. But so far as I know, nothing positive has ever been written about modern eunuchs. (Aside from psychological work by Johnson and Wassersug). The common person will not have read anything remotely positive about people like us.

This has to change.

If we do not learn from the mistakes of the past - we cannot be surprised when another article is written of this nature.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:37 pm**

Well, I don't know. Maybe it was a bad idea. Maybe I'm being unreasonable? I don't know.

I've never met you Christina and I'm sorry if any of this sounds agressive. I'm not normally like this - just thinking out loud I guess : What do you suggest we do differently?

Its just so frustrating to sit back and watch, as this sort of thing happens - time and time again - knowing full well it could, and doing nothing to stop it.

And seeing others - through inaction and a pipe dream of wishful thinking - allow the community to come to harm.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:33 pm**

thefraj (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:21 am I write this after some careful thought, and being refreshed with the emotions I felt on the subject.

We are probably all a little dissapointed with Barts article and the - imagined - consequences of outsiders reading.

While it would be easy to focus on the anger, I for one, think it would be far more constructive to devise a system to prevent this happening in future.

Obviously, people come here freely and are free to talk with whomever they choose.

There may come another point in the future where another journalist/reporter will try to contact members through EA boards or chatrooms.

My idea is this: Such people should immediately have their account deleted and IP address banned. And then, offer them the chance to liason with EA administrators - who will be able to determine if this person - as often happens - will be likely to harm the community if they are allowed to continue their journalism.

If we run across another person like Bart (who may write something favourable, if given the correct people to speak with), the adminstrators may then have the choice to direct the person to 'mainstream' members and people who are perhaps more representative and less likely to harm the community.

If the journalist or reporter does not like this idea, then we know they are out looking for a 'particular someone'. This will be the warning sign and give the administrators the freedom to ban these people from reaching members of their choice via EA.

Obviously, nobody can stop individuals contacting this person outside of EA - but if we prevent anyone from using EA to reach members adlib via chat and forum this way, we limit the potential for damage.

I for one am so very tired of having this whole community dragged through the mud; knowing that - firstly it's a great community filled with wonderful people. And knowing that to get anywhere - we have to somehow allow information to be published on the subject.

This is just my suggestion, and I would be curious to know what others think.

There is no such thing as bad publicity.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:16 pm**

Not to worry Rog, I'm ok with your reply. Honestly though, I don't know what the best answer would be.

I do know that as a group, transsexuals have had more exposure in the media and that's probably due to the fact the changes we go through are more visible to the public. Whereas eunuchs on the other hand can go through life without revealing themselves to others.

You might even go a step further and put some of the blame onto the medical community and the stigma behind the association of castration and mens ego (for lack of a better deffinition). We all know that there are thousands of castrations performed every year, be it cancer or otherwise, and that the medical community, as a whole, is dominated by males. And for many men, and the male doctor, it is a taboo subject to be publicized.

So where do you begin? I believe the survey that was done is deffinately a step in the right direction, and I hope some good will come of it. But it's going to take more than just a survey to convince the public awareness that castration can have positive benifits for a lot of people. Oh, and lets not forget that recent parade Talula and others participated in. That went a long way in a positive light to get public awareness. The bottom line could be that it's going to take time and many such exposures of this nature for the media to catch onto viewing eunuchs as normal people.

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:37 pm**

Jesus fucking Christ! I've had about enough of this shit.

Yes, they probably shouldn't have spent so much time focusing on the child molester at the beginning. Other than that I didn't have any problem with the article. People obviously have not read the GQ article from back in 2000 or watched American Eunuchs when they comment about this.

Was the artcile glowing? No. Was it a step in the right direction? Yes. They ended the article with the portion that I interviewed for. The quotes were rearranged a bit but they were EXACTLY as I said them.

I didn't feel like I was put out to be some sort of freak. Had I been, I'd be suing the ass off of Fairchild publications and I know plenty of people in the industry that would have this guys head if I started placing the appropriate phone calls.

Lastly, I wouldn't trust ANY of the administrators here to be the arbiter of who and who doesn't get to contact members of the community. Quite frankly I keep my mouth shut about a lot of the garbage that goes on here because I want to be friendly with all of you, but lately I've had enough.

It seems that the people who "run" the archive seem to think they are the final arbiters of all things eunuch. Frankly as of late you don't speak for me.

--LT

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:43 pm**

Losethem

I trust the administers of the EA implicitly to have the best interests of all the members at heart whether they are eunuch or non-eunuch.

I refer to Krister, Paolo and Talula who are both friends and colleagues. If they are the arbiters of contact, then I feel safe and secure.

Paolo does an excellent job of running the Story Archive, Krister is tireless in his efforts to maintain the excellence of the Message Boards and Talula is our most reverend Supreme Being for which I reserve the highest praise and occasional animal sacrifices for.

The Eunuch Archive is not an easy place to organize and run efficiently but the above named individuals works their buns off to make an archive we can be proud of and I am proud of it.

I have no complaints

Posted: **Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:56 pm**

Well, Losethem, you know, for what it's worth, I'm deeply sorry that this article pissed me off as much as it did. I'm sorry I'm so attached this place, and get irate when I perceive something like this article that does damage to it and the members.

Perhaps you'd be better off, or the Community here as a whole would, if there was NO Administration.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:37 pm It seems that the people who "run" the archive seem to think they are the final arbiters of all things eunuch. Frankly as of late you don't speak for me.

I don't know where you get this idea, and I have no clue why YOU would say such a thing, or even why you'd feel the need to. I'd also say this comment upsets me, but you know, it wouldn't do much good - so I won't.

It's crap like this that makes ME wonder why I even try. I'm really beginning to wonder if it's even worth it.

You think you can do a better job? Fine. PM Talula. Do it.

Posted: **Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:49 am**

Paolo wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:56 pm It's crap like this that makes ME wonder why I even try. I'm really beginning to wonder if it's even worth it.

YES!!!! Your efforts are worth it and appreciated, at least by one person here (me). Perhaps the person who made that comment was just having a bad day (the hormones flowing in the wrong way

), or they were upset at other things and lashed out inappropriately to vent other stuff.

Here is just one example of why I say that your efforts are worth it .... I found the EA after undergoing emergency surgery and loosing a nut. At this point in my life (in my 60s) I thought I had dealt with just about every emotion and feeling possible. However, in another posting on a different topic, I read the words (paraphrasing now) "upon going through puberty I became a chronic masturbator and always felt filthy afterwards, even though I enjoyed the orgasm." That simple sentence describes a feeling that I have always had about sex. Having this board and stories, etc., has become an incredible tool to help me understand myself. I can only think it reasonable that you and the others who put up and maintain these resources are helping many, many others as well. Just accept the possibility that you are also helping the complainers, but they just don't know it yet.

And so, a big THANK YOU! You are appreciated!

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