How many readers share my enthusiasm for this story - one of the sweetest things I've read in months. There is a very clever portrayal of the young (female) doctor's mixed feelings: regret at having to neuter the little boy because of the constraints of federal law, combined with overwhelming sexual excitement when she actually begins working on the kid's "privates" to make him a eunuch. Readers might compare "Tommy was my first experience of selling a slave" and my own fictional "Melanie" who floods her pants at the thought of neutering a real live boy.

Curious that she employs the traditional gelding method, though, when more sophisticated ways of neutering boys are available.

Hints that the little boy might become a passive partner for a pedophile step-father were less good. Pedophiles require no encouragement.

Hmmm... How to make a Cher rub...

I don't know, maybe give her the crabs? That ought to do it.

Ya can't tattoo her ass, somebody already did that...

:shakemitk

A-1

I agree! That is one of the hottest stories I'd seen in a very long time.

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C van D (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:10 am Hints that the little boy might become a passive partner for a pedophile step-father were less good. Pedophiles require no encouragement.

" - C van D

Extending C van D's logic, I suppose that all heterosexual males are just rapists of women awaiting their opportunity!

Or are most of the people who share certain sexualities, be they heterosexuals or paedophiles, actually in truth non-predatory?

C van D, please do not become caught up in the modern hypocritical hysteria relating to sexual minorities, much of which is generated by fanatical religious fundamentalists, who really know little about the subject.

PUEROS

I also really liked this story.

C van D, it did indeed have a flavour that reminded me of some of your work. I love all your stories... for both the quality of writing and the sexual charge gained from it.

One can infer from such statement where one deep dark part of my sexuality lay, and only the ever-continuous religious posturing of 'my god is bigger than your god' between the Big 3 (or 4.. or 5.. catholicism, hinduism, etc etc) stops me from being able to say out loud, with my full name attached, 'im a pedophile'. Society has cycled through acceptance of boy love so many times via the dictates of the mood of the ruling religion, but right now its so far out of favour as to be unmentionable. And to see you, one of my favorite writers, worrying that this story is not just fodder for a pedophiles mind but also an encouragement to act surprises me. I see you, yourself as a boylover. I regret using the P-word so much in this post, as society has besmirched it beyond anything that can be construed as 'loving'.

In the same way as a perfectly respectable married businessman with an excellent reputation in his community can easily be the guy at 1am reading Nifty Archives rape-stories, so can (and should) a law-abiding, unable-to-fulfill-his-desires from fear boylover read storys about a small kink hes got (castration) without being reminded by the author to not run around with a knife cutting off boys balls and raping them all in the butts.

That being said... Looking very forward to anything new coming from you, C van D !! Thanks for your previous stories.

In order to further underline the point that I was trying to make earlier in this thread, I've just completed & posted a short one-off tale entitled 'The Paedophile', which I hope will appear amongst the board's new stories soon, subject to acceptance.

PUEROS

I don't understand the criticism of C van D for his comments about pedophiles. Whether or not pedophilia in other cultures and in other times was wrong is open to debate. It is wrong in our Western society TODAY, for-at least-the following reasons. The relationships are unequal, controlled and initiated by the adult.. The child is harmed, at least because of society's response to such a relationship. There is no justification in present day society for an adult-child sexual relationship.

Most of my stories involve children-boys-and I will say-up front-I do not condone or advocate sexual relationships between boys and men. Man-boy love is a misnomer. What one is really discussing when he uses that term is: Man-boy lust. Love requires responsibility. If you love someone, you'll do everything possible not to hurt that person. Given present day society-and I stress those conditions-it is not possible to have a man-boy sexual relationship (any adult child sexual relationship) without harming the child.

If we were living during the time of the ancient Greeks when it was accepted, the situation might be completely different, but, even then, adults didn't just fuck one kid then go to the next. The adult sponsored that kid, providing him with more than just sex. He initiated him into adult society in more ways than just sex. We have no mechanism of doing that today because society does not begin to accept the idea of sex between children and adults. I might fantasize about it in a story, but I condemn it in actuality. Even at that, I'm reluctant to write a story where the pedophile is a good guy, unless the setting is ancient times. Then, the story is a representation of history.

Other than A-1’s uncalled for comment, this thread raises some interesting issues that have been discussed at length on several previous incarnations of the Boards here.

“Pedophile” has become a word in the English language, and I would assume also its equivalents in other languages, that automatically brings to mind the image of a veritable monster.

This is probably why the elements and plot of using such in fiction can grab one’s attention and provoke powerful emotions. We come to take the meaning of the word to mean “one who preys upon and victimizes children.” One could literally take the word to mean “lover of children”, but as Slammr points out, love and lust are not the same thing. It’s hard to accept the fact of one who claims to love children using that as a shield to try and justify having sexual relations with them. Where does love turn into lust, at what point, and what is the defining factor?

I don’t know. It would be a lively discussion to have again.

Our various modern-day cultures vary by nation in having an ‘age of consent’, some magical number set up by “those who know best” as to when a person is ready for sexual relations. 18 seems to be the prize age, although ages much lower are the norms in other nations. As for laws there, I have no idea, only the numbers. Perhaps others will enlighten us?

Oddly, the numbers can weigh heavily in the letter of the law.

For example, my elderly neighbors down the road, a married couple, are 18 years different in age. They had several children and a very long marriage. On the other hand, a boy I knew was dating a girl one year his junior. The day he turned 18, the father filed charges and got him on statutory rape, child molesting, and a few other things. And it stuck. He did time. Ruined his life, literally.

This example, admittedly, is not the same thing as the case of a 30-something adult having sexual relations with a child of say, 12.

Another issue that comes up is the maturity of said child. When does a child know that he/she is ready for sex, and with whom? Again, I have no idea. Is it a crime for two 11 year olds to ‘fool around’? 11 and 14? 17 and 18? Who knows?

Still, the Archive posts fiction to the Story Archive. Plot elements notwithstanding, it can give us much to think about and some good discussions.

In closing, as the example of the Ancient Greeks shows, cultures and attitudes change. Who is to say that some of the fiction here, now, will not come to be fact at some future date?

pueros wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:16 am In order to further underline the point that I was trying to make earlier in this thread, I've just completed & posted a short one-off tale entitled 'The Paedophile', which I hope will appear amongst the board's new stories soon, subject to acceptance.

PUEROS

Perhaps we need a definition of pedophilia. In the cherub story the author is talking about a stepfather of a prepubescent child. In Pueros's story the person labeled a pedophile is another kid only three years older than the younger boy. That's hardly the same. Although, in present day society, he might be labeled a pedophile and sentenced to prison by current laws, I, too, agree those laws are unjust and have argued against such in some of my stories, for instance in "Terry."

In Oregon, a sixteen year-old boy was sentenced to a mandatory prison sentence of about six years for impregnating his 14 year-old girlfriend, even though neither the girl or her mother wanted the boy to be punished. In my opinion, this was a travesty of justice. Neither do I consider an 18 year-old who has sex with someone under 18 a pedophile. I'm reluctant to provide cutoff ages which would define when someone would be considered to be a pedophile and when he would not. For me, it would depend on the ages of the two participants and sexual experience and maturity of the younger party. I've known kids who were more sexually experienced at 16 than I was at 25.

Under all circumstances, though, anytime an adult has sex with a prepubescent child, that is child abuse, and that person is a pedophile.

I deliberately posted ‘The Paedophile’ to provoke reaction, as I hoped that the story might encourage people to think about the subject more, rather than just hysterically undergoing a violent knee-jerk reaction to the word.

The word ‘paedophile’ emanates from the Greek and basically means ‘lover of children’. However, how ‘lover’ and ‘children’ are defined is open to wide interpretation. For example, at what age should a person cease to be regarded as a child? Also, the designation of relevant ‘lover’ could, on one extreme, be used to describe a person who simply platonically loves children as beings rather than experiencing any sexual urges towards them. However, on the other extreme, the term could be utilised for a predatory sex attacker, which sadly appears to have become the most common usage in certain quarters today.

I prefer the definition that refers to a person, usually male, who is sexually attracted to children but is not necessarily a sex monster.

The point of my story is that research has shown that the vast majority of paedophiles as so defined, who are sexually attracted to children, succeed in suppressing and disguising their urges in modern times, which are intolerant towards such passions. They furtively and passively admire but never touch and my tale essentially asks how the rest of society should regard and treat such people if they are ever somehow ‘outed’. Many of them will be otherwise worthy citizens, possessing excellent jobs and be loving and caring husbands and fathers. Given their likely numbers, you, the reader of this post, will probably be very well acquainted with such a person, as a close relative, friend, colleague or someone else you regularly meet. Do they deserve hysterical paranoid ostracism?

Meanwhile, as regards Slammr’s comment about the age of Chris in my story, I would ask whether his ultimate decision as a reader regarding this passive paedophile’s fate would be different if he was 36 as opposed to 16, and if so why?

PUEROS