After due consideration, I decided that this was a joke, or perhaps just about a joke. Anyway, it belongs here...talk about your resumes'...

...If this is true (and can be proved) then this man should be thrown in jail for TREASON!!! not be running for President of our country!!!!!! (read to the END....reason number TWO is really interesting).

Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,,Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.

There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable.

My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.

His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

This will blow up in his face before October 15th.

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On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note t! hat Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive.

On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag

was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled,

and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the

enemy.

2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on

assassinating members of the US Senate.

3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before

the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national

television, and condemned the military and the USA.

5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist

leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the

U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution! 's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT HIS PRESIDENCY?

Sure, and our arrogant little "president" spent his time making sure Texas wasn't invaded by Arkansas. Of course, when the military started doing drug tests, W decided he'd had enough, never showed for a physical, and skulked off to a happy life of booze and cocaine.

TB

Mr. Kerry is protected by the same technicality which protected "Hanoi Jane" from charges of treason. Treason is giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war. According to the Constitution, the power to declare war is reserved to Congress. Therefore, despite our losing 50,000 men in combat over there, we were technically not at war with Vietnam because Congress did not declare war on Vietnam. In fact, we have not been at war with anybody since 1945 !

The founding fathers did not intend that we should have a peacetime army or navy. So, during peacetime, the President would be commander-in-chief of a non-existent military establishment and could not engage in military operations unless and until war had been declared by Congress. The War of 1812 proved that this would not work. It is impossible to raise and train an army overnight nor build and man ships overnight. We nearly lost that war because of unpreparedness.

Once we had a peacetime army and navy, however, there was, and is, nothing to prevent the President from waging undeclared war, war in every sense except the technical sense that it was not declared by Congress. And, that's where we stand today. Neither Jane Fonda nor John Kerry technically committed treason. Disgusting, isn't it ?

Well, I do have an Honorable Discharge. Yes the war in Viet Nam was wrong, just as the war in Iraq is wrong.

As for military records, both of these guys have several question marks behind there name.

It goes like this. There is no way in the world I will vote for Bush. I am still undecided on Karey. If this continues I will once again vote for the Green Party person, who ever he is.

Final note.

The United States has lost respect from every free country in the world. Bush has declared war on terrorisum and thats a good thing, and a bad thing, because this now gives him the rights to invade any country he wants. This is what is making the rest of the world hate us. I can only hope that the world realizes that its Bush there pissed at and not the rest of us.

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River, my friend,

You are entitled to your opinion. You have paid your dues in full. So have others. If George Bush is among that number is immaterial to the situation that is facing us today. I am not sure that the 30 countries who are our allies are against us, consider us arrogant, or ignorant, as the case may be.

The source of this crap is the same faction who wants us to side with the certain factions in Arab countries in driving the typical Israeli back into the "Wandering Jew" role in the modern world today.

Well, speaking of the Jew, where is it written that, "...he who blesses you I will bless, and he who curses you I will curse..." ? If I am not mistaken much of the USA is still Christian and is not about to side with anybody against Israel.

Furthermore, fear and intimidation have never been successful in dealing with the United States, both when it was a colony of Great Britain, and when it was in a Civil War or Cold War or any other situation that has occurred since.

The facts are, most Americans would not give a RAT'S ASS for what the world thinks of America, because it never has been much, from a historical viewpoint, except for the times that we have directly saved a nation from a ruthless dictator. It has never been a case of " the world loves us, they really, really love us", and it is not likely to ever be. Deal with it.

SO say what you want and side with the people who claim to be our "conscience" when they are actually having a identity problem if you must. I will not be a party to it.

As for me, I WILL vote for George Bush, and it is not because I believe all of the BULLSHIT that is being said about John Kerry. It is because I believe that the picture of the Iraqi man who was crying while patting the wreckage of the truck that his brother was killed in driving supplies into Baghdad was a terrible tragedy. The typical Iraqi does not deserve to live under conditions that are the result of Jordanian radical Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a known al-Qaeda operative and one who is the prime suspect in some of the deadliest attacks around the world keeping the Sunni Muslim insurgents agitated in a country that is primarily composed of Sh'ia Muslims. Read the BBC story here ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3483089.stm )

al-Zarqawi is directing the killing of Jordanian nationals who are hauling supplies into Baghdad, calling them "foriegners" when he himself is a foreigner who has been tried in abstentia and found guilty of murder in his native Jordan. Read the story here. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/iraq)

If we were not fighting in Iraq ask yourself where would al-Zarqawi be trying to effect terrorism and opposition to the United States. NO, not Israel, but here. It is a no-brainer, folks.



So basically, you have your sympathizers in this country for the terroristic ways of the al-Qaeda and it's agents, some of whom have good intentions, and are pathologically looking to support preceived underdogs to satisfy some deep-seated need to demonstrate a politically-based figurative munchausen syndrome.

Don't count me in on this one, folks. I support George W. Bush because he has what it takes to do what is best for America. That is not to say that John Kerry would not, eventually, even if only out of political necessity, but Kerry has one hell of a learning curve ahead of him to become as an effective leader as George Bush has been in these troubled times.

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Dear members; More discussion of this subject WILL be taken to the politics area! FLO

Thank you Unkle Flo.

Would somebody please lock up this thread and throw the key away?

It is my right to ask, since I started the thread, right?

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