Found this article interesting and did not know what forum what appropriate.

Seems to me being anatomically Intersex,

both Female and Male is about as Anti - Eunuch as one can express.

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/ma ... ealth.html

A Colorado man who was admitted to the hospital for a kidney stone received surprising news when the nurse came back with test results revealing he was actually a woman.

Denver photographer Steve Crecelius said he's felt a little different all his life.

"When I was about 6 years old, I started having these feminine feelings, but that was in the '60s. Wearing my mom's makeup, I thought I looked pretty," Crecelius told ABC News.

So when he went to the emergency room five years ago, he wasn't too shocked when the nurse told him she found traits of both genders in his ultrasound results.

He was intersex, meaning he had both male genitalia and internal female sex organs.

"The nurse is reading the ultrasound and says, 'Huh, this says you're a female,' Crecelius said. "It was very liberating. I had spent so much energy after the age of 13 constantly evaluating how people looked at me and acted towards me."

Steve, who now goes by "Stevie," said his wife and their six children accepted his new identity right away.

"We told them individually. Some were in person and some weren't," Crecelius said. "Every one of them said, 'We don't care one way or the other. We love you for who you are and you're still my dad.'"

Crecelius and his wife, Debbie, have been together for 25 years and she's supported him every step of the way, including taking him to buy his first bra.

She told Crecelius, "You know, when I first saw you, I said to myself, 'He runs like a girl.'"

"I think we were pretty good when she began to mourn the loss of her husband," Crecelius said. "We worked through what we needed to. The concept of unconditional love is a larger story."

Intersex is a term used to describe people who bear both external genitals and internal organs, such as testes and ovaries.

A person with the condition may have male genitals along with fallopian tubes and ovaries.

"The condition used to be called hermaphroditism, meaning that person can't be identified as male or female," Crecelius said.

According to the Intersex Society of North America, more than 1,500 children a year are born intersex.

For Crecelius, he hopes he can be an advocate for those born intersex and same-sex couples.

"I think of bullying, because I haven't heard anyone talk about this. It's important to talk about," Crecelius said. "People need to be accepting and understand. I was born this way, and loving each other and supporting each other will always be the main factor in our household."

Based on the information on Yahoo!, my best hunch is that Stevie Crecelius may be an XX-XY chimera.

Some chimeras have had different genotypes for their blood cells and for their gonads, with the possible result of having falsely been accused of not being their children's biological parent. Ouch.

I have known intersex people.

Perhaps the news will eventually get out to people who do not yet know that, if "God" created man and woman, that is not close to the whole story. Like legislators who are ignorant of biological diversity.

According to the Wisconsin Constitution marriage amendment, would someone who is XXY only be allowed to mary someone who is XYY?

So, I think of SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence project, and I think it is an interesting project. Yet I think another search for intelligence project might also be interesting.

Humans live on this planet, named Earth. Why not search for intelligence here as well? If we cannot find any intelligence on Earth, how on Earth would anyone have even a hint of a clue about what to search for elsewhere?

I am just a little bit sceptical. Not that it is impossible, but it is very rare for an intersexed individual to be so fertile as to father six children. The article doesn't state explicitly and they could be adopted or artificially inseminated, but the implication was that he fathered six children. The intersexed people I have met, and trans and intersex circles do overlap some, had to resort to medical assistance to engage in procreation. Plus it looks like she has been trans from an early age.

I have heard a number of trans women who claim highly improbable stories of their intersex medical history, often believing it themselves. I remember once when Anne Lawrence (who is an MD) was running a meeting, and someone claimed such a history, she tore her apart, jumping on each medical detail. There seems to be a huge desire among trans women for a medical justification for their condition. " Biology or my genes or my mother's hormones in the womb made me do it, I'm just an innocent victim of transsexuality. I didn't have any choice." (For myself, though I suspect there is a large genetic or environmental influence on being trans, I want it to be in some essential way my choice. I do not want to be a victim.)

A number of genuine intersex people have expressed annoyance at what they referred to as "intersex wanna-bes"

Transward

Copies of Kim Elizabeth Stuart, "The Uninvited Dilemma: A Question of Gender," Metamorphous Press, 1985, can sometimes be located via

www(dot)bookfinder(dot)com

I bought a copy when it was first published... and found it useful.

And, methinks that the "jumping genes" of the work of Barbara McClintock might, if only very rarely, allow a person with XY sex chromosomes to have a brain that is functionally and structurally far more akin to that of a typical female than a typical male.

The Bayesian predicament of highly improbable events is simply that every isolated event, considered in complete detail, is always highly improbable sufficiently far before the fact of the event.

I would think that to be truly Anti-Eunuch, you would seek ways to regrow lost testicles, starting a Medical Reballion.

Eunuchorn (imported) wrote: Sat May 26, 2012 9:00 pm I would think that to be truly Anti-Eunuch, you would seek ways to regrow lost testicles, starting a Medical Reballion.

I'd say possessing both genders is as Anti-Eunuch as you can get.

I just got home and spent a few minutes searching the net for this story. It's being widely reported, was the lead story on Yahoo's site, but it still doesn't smell right. First, the kidney stone and the discovery is five years old. Why is it suddenly news to splash all over the media? Secondly, while the story is all over the place, it is word for word the same. A few edit it down to fit in a shorter space, and they may or may not show the identical video. That usually means that they all picked up the story from one single source. That often signifies a hoax or internet meme.

Transward

moi621 (imported) wrote: Sat May 26, 2012 9:13 pm I'd say possessing both genders is as Anti-Eunuch as you can get.

The problem is we assign the concept of eunuch to two polar opposite perceptions. One is the person without sex, lacking any sexual identity, the other is a person possessing both sexes or some blend of both sexes. In antiquity, you had the sexless agricultural slaves and harem guards, and the highly sexualized eunuch bed boys, (See Mary Renault's The Persian Boy) and eunuch transvestite priests (and often temple prostitutes) of Isis, Attis and other fertility gods. Now you have "tranny porn," "chicks-with-a-dick" and the Yahoo "Castrated She Male" group.

Transward

I find myself dragged back into the frightening realm of general semantics. No symbol is what it symbolizes, else either the symbolized or the symbol does not exist; such being an inescapable consequence of the nature of communication and the law of identity.

However, there are people who take on the transactional role of parent while concurrently assigning to another person the child role, and, having engaged in that exercise of human tragedy, proceed to the delusional land of coercive terrorizing of the one assigned the child role.

"Why?" cries out the designated child.

"Because I said so," the self-assumed parent ejaculates.

Sexual abuse of a child?

I have a dictionary at hand in which the first listed definition of "ejaculate" is "to say suddenly."

A courtroom, a prosecutor, a judge, the trier-of-fact, and a hapless traditionally male defendant...

The trier-of-fact ejaculates, onto the defendant, "You have been found guilty based on clear and convincing evidence."

The defendant, knowing better as an actual fact and not as a merely stated fact of law, is clearly not convinced. And appeals the verdict. Verdict not reversed on appeal.

The hanging tree, the noose, the drop, C4 transection, cessation of breathing and cessation of cerebral sexual reflex inhibition.

Ejaculation, semen, involuntary.

The defendant's body involuntarily ejaculates, "I am dead." In action, and not in words.

Actions sometimes speak louder than words.

Say so is not be so.

Said so is not did so. Except, perhaps, when actions speak for themselves?

Perhaps the time is coming when people, by having first learned the way of understanding themselves accurately as individuals, will begin to actually understand one another.

For myself, my being a eunuch has no opposite, because I never learned to oppose myself or my life.

Is it not the death of death which gives life?

Is it not the life of life which gives death?

If death gives life and life gives death, what is there that is wisely feared?

Is believing that opposites exists other than a form of being dead while alive and alive while dead?

La'chaim!

moi621 (imported) wrote: Sat May 26, 2012 9:13 pm I'd say possessing both genders is as Anti-Eunuch as you can get.

If my dabblings within the theoretical biology realm (perhaps somewhat akin to the work of the late Robert Rosen, as in "Anticipatory Systems"?) gave me access to belief in two, and only two, genders, such that "both genders" was an intelligible construct, I might allow that being both male and female was a form of oppositeness.

And, I am inclined to conjecture that at least some snails, if sufficiently English-language proficient, might tend to share my silly view.