this doesn't mean that I'm serious considering this, but it's just something I've been contemplating. I've heard of people crushing their testicles in vice grips. any suggestions?
also, do any of you guys know whether or not this is legal, and if so, where one could go to do it where it could not legally result in a forced institutionalization, and also, stuff about the relation of insurance coverage to self-injury, and how much a non-covered emergency orchiectomy would cost?
Safest way of forcing an emergency orchiectomy via testicular injury
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Re: Safest way of forcing an emergency orchiectomy via testicular injury
Perhaps I can find some words from within my presumed areas of total incompetence.
It is my observation that the law (what is or is not legal) is determined, in a practical sense, when a judge decides whether something that already happened was, or was not legal.
Over 25 years ago, I "forced" my not-yet-emergency orchiectomy by convincing physicians that I would not be deterred until I found a vasectomy doctor who was persuadable. Doctors who regularly do vasectomies are very familiar with the testicles and spermatic cord anatomy.
Because a vasectomy doctor does not ordinarily do orchiectomies on request, the vasectomy doctor did not have implants on hand, and my implants were installed a few years later, and, having resulted in my developing an unacceptable foreign body reaction this past April, were removed in early June, a very few days before I became an Eunuch Archive member.
The genital area surgery which gave me the fewest problems and discomfort was the bilateral "radical vasectomy" in 1986. When, a couple months after the "radical vasectomy," I was given the colectomy because my estimate of cancer risk turned out to be terribly accurate, and I experienced serious brain function disruption from general anesthesia and post-surgical morphine pain control, I dove into a psychiatric hospital as a defense against the risk of being otherwise committed.
Yes, I full well knew the risk of being a voluntary psychiatric inpatient. Until the psychiatrist deciders decided that I was ready for discharge, my attempting to sign myself out would likely have triggered my being committed. Unlike many folks, though, in those days, I had double insurance that never, never quit.
Somewhat more than 25 years ago, I used the, "If you don't, I will..." argument successfully, without needing to do any self-harm to make my argument convincing. Yes, it took talking with quite a few physicians.
My free advice, as it seems to me that you may be in Florida? Dr. Reed may be cheaper, better, faster, dramatically safer, and there seemingly also is Dr. Arnkoff, in Michigan.
There is a long-standing thread about another self-help method which I advocate strongly against unless nothing else is practical. While I advocate against that method, I advocate very strongly for the people who find no better choice available.
Perhaps it would be fair and decent for me to clearly and truthfully state that I doubt that there was any way that I would not have gotten my orchiectomy at about the time I got it. I figure I was as unstoppable as anyone else has ever been or will ever be. Once my helping make another baby was not in my intended future, those two bothersome things were going to stop bothering me by not being there, and that was not negotiable. How they and I parted company was negotiable, and I negotiated the safest way I could imagine ever achieving.
Autistic people are sometimes accused of perseveration. I do not perseverate; I do persevere. There may be a world of difference between perseveration and persevering, or they may be identically the same. Who am I to say?
Given the choice, I choose to not die for the sake of living. So I persist with physicians, as I have done again in April through July of this year, until the physicians "get the message" and do, within what is medically appropriate, what I find necessary. All I had to do, having done my homework and having made as sure as anyone might ever do that I would not regret it, was to bother enough physicians to the point where one conceded and did the surgery in question.
I find getting MtE and BIID into the realm of accepted conditions in need of effective care to be urgent and necessary.
My guess for now, if it can be made to work, is that the safest way to get an orchiectomy is to make it so clear that it will happen in one way or another that someone will do it, and do it in a proper medical care setting with proper surgical technique and infection control. I am, I understand, not the only, and not the first, person to get a voluntary orchiectomy in a safe setting. In 1986 and before, there was no way to build a community, such as the Eunuch Archive community, whereby what one person learned could be shared with others in terms of voluntary orchiectomies (regardless of the person's individual need or desire).
As to insurance and self-injury, my guess is that the range of possible outcomes may be immense and unpredictable.
It is my observation that the law (what is or is not legal) is determined, in a practical sense, when a judge decides whether something that already happened was, or was not legal.
Over 25 years ago, I "forced" my not-yet-emergency orchiectomy by convincing physicians that I would not be deterred until I found a vasectomy doctor who was persuadable. Doctors who regularly do vasectomies are very familiar with the testicles and spermatic cord anatomy.
Because a vasectomy doctor does not ordinarily do orchiectomies on request, the vasectomy doctor did not have implants on hand, and my implants were installed a few years later, and, having resulted in my developing an unacceptable foreign body reaction this past April, were removed in early June, a very few days before I became an Eunuch Archive member.
The genital area surgery which gave me the fewest problems and discomfort was the bilateral "radical vasectomy" in 1986. When, a couple months after the "radical vasectomy," I was given the colectomy because my estimate of cancer risk turned out to be terribly accurate, and I experienced serious brain function disruption from general anesthesia and post-surgical morphine pain control, I dove into a psychiatric hospital as a defense against the risk of being otherwise committed.
Yes, I full well knew the risk of being a voluntary psychiatric inpatient. Until the psychiatrist deciders decided that I was ready for discharge, my attempting to sign myself out would likely have triggered my being committed. Unlike many folks, though, in those days, I had double insurance that never, never quit.
Somewhat more than 25 years ago, I used the, "If you don't, I will..." argument successfully, without needing to do any self-harm to make my argument convincing. Yes, it took talking with quite a few physicians.
My free advice, as it seems to me that you may be in Florida? Dr. Reed may be cheaper, better, faster, dramatically safer, and there seemingly also is Dr. Arnkoff, in Michigan.
There is a long-standing thread about another self-help method which I advocate strongly against unless nothing else is practical. While I advocate against that method, I advocate very strongly for the people who find no better choice available.
Perhaps it would be fair and decent for me to clearly and truthfully state that I doubt that there was any way that I would not have gotten my orchiectomy at about the time I got it. I figure I was as unstoppable as anyone else has ever been or will ever be. Once my helping make another baby was not in my intended future, those two bothersome things were going to stop bothering me by not being there, and that was not negotiable. How they and I parted company was negotiable, and I negotiated the safest way I could imagine ever achieving.
Autistic people are sometimes accused of perseveration. I do not perseverate; I do persevere. There may be a world of difference between perseveration and persevering, or they may be identically the same. Who am I to say?
Given the choice, I choose to not die for the sake of living. So I persist with physicians, as I have done again in April through July of this year, until the physicians "get the message" and do, within what is medically appropriate, what I find necessary. All I had to do, having done my homework and having made as sure as anyone might ever do that I would not regret it, was to bother enough physicians to the point where one conceded and did the surgery in question.
I find getting MtE and BIID into the realm of accepted conditions in need of effective care to be urgent and necessary.
My guess for now, if it can be made to work, is that the safest way to get an orchiectomy is to make it so clear that it will happen in one way or another that someone will do it, and do it in a proper medical care setting with proper surgical technique and infection control. I am, I understand, not the only, and not the first, person to get a voluntary orchiectomy in a safe setting. In 1986 and before, there was no way to build a community, such as the Eunuch Archive community, whereby what one person learned could be shared with others in terms of voluntary orchiectomies (regardless of the person's individual need or desire).
As to insurance and self-injury, my guess is that the range of possible outcomes may be immense and unpredictable.
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Re: Safest way of forcing an emergency orchiectomy via testicular injury
iamdaniel (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:25 am this doesn't mean that I'm serious considering this, but it's just something I've been contemplating. I've heard of people crushing their testicles in vice grips. any suggestions?
also, do any of you guys know whether or not this is legal, and if so, where one could go to do it where it could not legally result in a forced institutionalization, and also, stuff about the relation of insurance coverage to self-injury, and how much a non-covered emergency orchiectomy would cost?
That's not a wise way to go about getting your testicles removed...
Talk to a doctor or a therapist about not wanting your testicles. Give them good reasons why and those doctors and therapists will help you.
Please don't go mangling yourself and ending up in an Emergency Room. You can't surprise doctors that way.