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Muslim eunuchs joking when castrated by Caliph

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:34 pm
by SplitDik (imported)
From Wikipedia article, and interesting account of where a caliph decides to punish some transsexuals with castration, who of course don't mind entirely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannathun

At one point in time during the Umayyad dynasty, a caliph, usually identified as Sulayman ibn Abd al-Malik, reportedly ordered that all Mukhannathun should be castrated. He had been angered by them in some way or other - the motive varies between the different accounts.[3] According to Rowson:

Several sources name some or all of the victims (besides al-Dalal, who is almost always included). A number of these also report a series of quips said to have been pronounced by them on the occasion. The fullest version of these statements is offered by Hamza, whose list is as follows:

Tuways: "This is simply a circumcision which we must undergo again."

al-Dalal: "Or rather the Greater Circumcision!"

Nasim al-Sahar: "With castration I have become a mukhannath in truth!"

Nawmat al-Duha: "Or rather we have become women in truth!"

Bard al-Puad: "We have been spared the trouble of carrying around a spout for urine."

Zill al-Shajar: "What would we do with an unused weapon anyway?"

The last two statements imply that what the mukhannathiin underwent was jibdb, the more drastic form of castration in which the penis was truncated. They serve to stress the mukhannathiin's lack of sexual interest in women, while the two preceding statements identify the essential psychological motivation behind takhannuth as gender identification with women. The flippancy of tone in these quips is of course characteristic of the mukhannath persona, and also points to the singular inappropriateness of the punishment, despite its savagery; significantly, there is no positive reference to sexual orientation, as opposed to gender identity.

Re: Muslim eunuchs joking when castrated by Caliph

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:16 am
by butterflyjack (imported)
Very interesting, Splitdik....Seems, in some ways, Muslims are more accepting than the average non-Muslim... Thanks dragonfly