Hi All,

I hope this post is not out-of-place in this forum. I sense I may be able to get some thoughtful replies to my issues. As an introduction, I've written [see below] a brief of what I am going through.

Thanks to all for reading.

John

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I currently receive my health care through the VA. I am a normal 52 year old male who desires*voluntary chemical castration. I am not a sex offender, or pedophile. I am retired from the US Navy (submariner)*and have no criminal background. I have a normal testosterone level and a 'normal' sex drive.*I simply have a sincere desire to be rid of my libido. I have ongoing visits with my psychiatrist and psychologist and this has been a long standing issue for me*(I am Bipolar II with General Anxiety Disorder). I have been evaluated extensively by a psychiatrist, a psychologist, and a PTSD psychologist... all who agreed I was not 'crazy'. The VA Urology department vetoed the procedure however.*I am forced to look outside of the VA for help in this area. I realize there are other methods advocated for reducing libido but do not feel they are appropriate for me. I*would not*consider an orchidectomy. I have done extensive research on this topic and it is *very* hard to find information about this for someone in my position.

Can you help me with any information about this? I'd appreciate the opportunity to talk with you as needed.

Thank you very much.

John A. Mason

Comer, GA

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"Comparison is the death of self contentment" John Powell

"Peace comes from within; do not seek it without" Buddha

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Docs,

I visit a lot of technical sites dedicated to PCs... hardware mostly because I love electronics and I love computers. You only have to visit one or two sites before you are exposed to it. What is it?

"Voluptuous women with most of their cleavage exposed in a sexually provocative pose."

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I think this is sickening. All I want*is see, and discuss, the electronic equipment on the site. I know the market for these kinds of sites are probably mostly male... I think it's a sad commentary on our society when it is thought (probably true) that most men think primarily about sex (I'm guilty depending on what cycle my hormones are in).

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I hate it. I want to be rid of it. It serves no useful purpose. Why continue suffering? This doesn't have to be as big an issue as it is. Why? Why is Viagra OK but*not Depo Provera or some other libido-suppressing drug?

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Dr. [current t-doc]: Now I am pissed again from my calm yesterday.

Dr. [current p-doc]: If I can find some alternative to DP, something else that may be libido-suppressing, would you be willing to discuss this with me?

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Thanks again to both of you for listening to me. I know you can't answer so I'm going to print it out and bring it to my next appointments.

Mason/####

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PSS I think men have 'periods' just like women do... certainly hormonal cycles whether male or female. Am I wrong Dr. [current p-doc]? Or maybe we do and I'm missing something.

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Hi Dr. [former p-doc],

I can't tell you how much I miss you. Not because of my doctors here. Dr [current p-doc] is OK and Dr [current t-doc] is OUTSTANDING. But I miss you. Chemical castration has reared it's ugly head once again (it's never been far away and it never will be). I went all summer with no sex drive. It was great. I was wondering what had happened but wasn't complaining. Came roaring back last month. I hate it. I wanted to include you in this message I just sent to [current p-doc] and [current t-doc]. Only because you are one of the few outlets I have that knows how I feel about this.... no doubt you know more about it than [current p-doc] but I have discussed it quite a bit with [current t-doc]. It still pisses me off after all these years that after all of the time you and I talked about this subject and Dr. [PTSD/sexual psychologist] giving her tacit approval, the folks in Urology, of all places, vetoed it saying it was a psychiatric problem. It wouldn't be a psychiatric problem if I wanted to take Viagra would it?

Thanks for listening doc.

With respect,

Mason/####

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PS I hope you are doing well as is your brood.

So if your government health care provider won't provide what you feel like you need, why not simply order some Depo Provera or Androcur yourself and pay to get the results you desire? You are not a slave to the system yet. Its not like you have exhausted all the available options.

If you don't have existing liver problem try Siterone or Androcur for 90 days. 50mg, 3 times a day (or 100mg twice a day) for a month is a good starting point then each week reduce the daily dose by 50mg until you are at 25mg or 50mg a day. If the reduced dose results in increased sex drive again, then increase the daily dose by 25mg and try that for a week or two. The goal being consumption of the lowest amount of the drug to attain the desired results.

I have had no trouble with credit card or delivery of Siterone from www.inhousepharmcy.com

Siterone nixed my sex drive after only 30 days (although I started off with a lower than average T count for my age to begin with; if you have a high T count it might take longer).

It took me a year to finally decide to use Siterone, but I am satisfied with my decision and with the result and actually regret now not knowing of and using Siterone decades earlier in my life.

I had a great result with androcur a few years back. Now back on it and highly recommend it. The meds knocked out a troublesome sexuality and I was left without any libido and completely impotent.

chilli-

Share with us, if it is not too personal, why you stopped taking Androcur. It might be helpful for those who are interested in chemical reduction of testosterone to know why we start and stop using it. I stopped using Siterone Oct 1 as part of my overall evaluation of its effectiveness and what would happen when I stopped using it - results of which I will post on my blog at the end of Oct.

nullorchis (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:24 pm Share with us, if it is not too personal, why you stopped taking Androcur. It might be helpful for those who are interested in chemical reduction of testosterone to know why we start and stop using it.

Me, not to personal, please:D

Joy is the best way I can describe having no

chilliwilli (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:17 am libido and completely impotent.

The constant "mind-fuck" that I'm plagued with was gone. And at some level I always new this would be. So best way I can describe it is a butterfly coming out of a coccon! Total fuckin' nirvana.

I quit because I had a business at the time and work to do. But I will admit my stint was very brief maybe 10 weeks tops. So, I'm back on it hopefully for good. Eventually if I spend three months or so I think I will be complete and happy physically castrated.

chilli-

We haven't heard back from jamason56. I hope he is monitoring the thread he started.

My one brief two month experiment with Siterone yielded the same results that chilli describes (as documented in my blog). Elimination of the effects of testosterone provided me with feelings of being free of anxiety, frustration, sexual tension, aggression, anger. More than being "calm" I was at peace, relieved, and felt free and had clarity of thought.

I had anticipated that it would be quite upsetting that I would be unable to achieve an erection or achieve the release of sexual tension through ejaculation. But indeed this frustration did not occur. Instead while in the second month of Siterone I felt a kind of constant release from sexual tension like you have just after completing a very good orgasm. A real "AHHHHHHHHHH" feeling. It is a "feel good" feeling. Not so much a "calmness" as a "thank goodness I am no longer being driven and controlled by feelings of sexual drive and tension".

Chemical reduction of testosterone (CRT) is not a cure all. If there are other mental or emotional things going on in ones life that are not relevant to sexual tension or sexual frustration the elimination of testosterone from one's hormone system isn't a magic pill. But, unless contraindicated by one's personal health profile, taking Siterone or Androcur, under a physician's or psychiatrists guidance, may provide a whole host of benefits. For individuals with severe or complex issues it would not be a good idea for anyone to self-prescribe testosterone reducing medications. (Although I still personally endorse a whole list of over the counter herbs that are quite effective in reducing testosterone levels that generally have no side effects).

Especially when sexual feelings are causing sex to be a man's main focus

or when sex is causing frequent or constant frustration, anxiety, tension,

or is making one a danger to themselves or to others,

or once a man has no desire or need for reproduction, or copulation, or masterbation, and has no desire to engage in intimate sexual contact with another and would rather pursue a life free from the negative side effects of testosterone,

then that man should at least give CRT (chemical reduction of testosterone) a three month trial run (observing the usual disclaimers).

Elimination of sex does not mean you can not care for others and enjoy the various types and levels of love that humans are capable of enjoying. Indeed, if anything, you are able to enjoy love in a pure form without the complexities of sex. It can be an unconditional love, free from the obligations of sexual performance (or lack of performance). In such a situation however one does need to match up with someone else who also has no interest in or need for sexual pleasures or gratification.

Sexual imbalance is a significant cause of unstable relationships. If you enjoy sex multiple times in the day, daily, weekly, monthly, occasionally, or never, you should ensure that you have a close personal loving relationship with one person who has similar sexual (or lack of) desires. Hugging, snuggling, holding, even kissing can exchange between two people the chemical/electrical bond and magic of love in its purest form. Intimate love, without sex may be hard to believe or envision, but it can be the attainment of one of life's ultimate emotions and enable one to achieve complete and absolute fulfillment and satisfaction in a human bonding that can be unlike no other.

Hi All,

Thanks for the info and sorry for being away from the topic for so long. I really appreciate everyone's thoughts. I'd have some concerns about taking meds on my own without my doc's approval or awareness. I'm not sure how that would work out. I sent my email out to 7 Atlanta area LGBT sympathetic doctors. I received on NO, one referral with a maybe, and have not heard back from the others. I'm going to assume they are NO's as well.

I think the post I most relate to is the last one from nullorchis. It summarizes just about how I feel and my current situation. It's been a hectic (manic) past couple of months for me where I have acted on some long-thought about issues. Something I've needed to do. I am now crashing, and don't like it. I had a good session with my doc last week and we went very deep into this topic. Looking forward to our next session, but not sure how it will work out.

John