California, What's it all about?

[Losethem (imported)]

I think chilliwilli has found some of the leftover LSD from the 60's.

[chilliwilli (imported)]

I think chilliwilli has found some of the leftover LSD from the 60's.

I know it's a long ramble. The book is an even 300 pages packed full of dates and references. Only after reading other sources was I even able to partially digest the book. Someday maybe get a little more on the connection between the producer of the show Bonanza and his connection with Timothy Leary. But a must read for anyone into the history of California.

I guess you had to be there.:-\

chilli-

[gareth19 (imported)]

Sez U !

I believe in another school called, "Creative Spelling".

Seriously, which one works best on, slow readers or dyslexics?

There is no need for a comma after on in the sentence above, but neither one works "best" because the quirky English spelling system requires the reader to employ both strategies simultaneously. Many words, antidisestablismentarianism comes to mind, can be sounded out, but many of the basics, like though, through, and thought, simply must be memorized by their visual traces. A small percentage of readers can only process eidetically, through the visual shape of the word, and for them phonics is a dismal failure. On the other hand, because phonics generally requires greater teacher-pupil interaction, it often achieves better results, not because it is theoretically sounder but because it forces the teacher to practice the first obligation of education, interact with the student.

[moi621 (imported)]

I once heard a presentation that was trying to convince everyone that the Grand Canyon was created in a afternoon by a massive flood. Could not stop laughing, so I got up and walked out. No wonder the American School system is so screwed up.

And exactly how long it took Paul Bunyon, dragging his ax, to carve the Grand Canyon. More then a day?

I am not ashamed to be over 30 and blame California Progressive Education for my reading difficulties, today.

I have lots of company that more often blame the California education system for failing the basics rather then demonstrating, innovation.

Of course our City Colleges are not mere trade schools as in some States, and our State College and University system along with the University of California system is the most inexpensive higher education available in America. And it offers quality Medical, Dental, Legal, etc. professional schools as well as graduate studies programs.

Still, basic education relies on a time when the developing brain is quite different from the adult brain in organization and thought processing. Younger brains do not multi task as well for example. Go argue.

And California repeatedly fails to deliver quality grade school education and thereby the youngest students are denied basics when their brain is most receptive. Hope that makes sense.

C'est California

Moi

[moi621 (imported)]

There is no need for a comma after on in the sentence above, but neither one works "best" because the quirky English spelling system requires the reader to employ both strategies simultaneously. Many words, antidisestablismentarianism comes to mind, can be sounded out, but many of the basics, like though, through, and thought, simply must be memorized by their visual traces. A small percentage of readers can only process eidetically, through the visual shape of the word, and for them phonics is a dismal failure. On the other hand, because phonics generally requires greater teacher-pupil interaction, it often achieves better results, not because it is theoretically sounder but because it forces the teacher to practice the first obligation of education, interact with the student.

Thank You very much for this review as it relates to dyslexia.

How does Evelyn Wood fit into this scheme?

Remember, that school? JFK had his whole staff take the course.

Also, I guess the Asians only have one school of reading if I understand the process correctly. No phonetics or phonics in symbols. Anyone heard of dyslexia in Japan? Not counting using the Latin alphabet.

[TheOtherSide (imported)]

Hey, no knocking trade schools. From everything I'm hearing, now that we're starting to see the baby boomers retiring in larger numbers the trades are becoming increasingly short-staffed.

I've always wondered from whence the stigma came that working with your hands was a bad thing. An archetect can deisgn all the beautiful homes he wants to, but without contractors, framers, roofers, electricians, and all the rest of the trades that go into building a house, you'd be sitting there in an empty lot trying to keep the rain off your posessions with a damp copy of the blueprints.

Hell, look around at damn near any major subdivision 'insta-housing' put up in the last decade. Yes, they look nice when you buy them, but how many of them will last ten or twenty years without falling apart? There's no way you can tell me that the way most new housing is built ("Build it cheap, build it fast.") that these homes are going to last.

A friend of mine rents a new home in Missouri. Looks nice, was built only two years ago. Seems a great place. Until you take a careful look and realize half the doors don't close properly, at least three outlets are improperly wired, you can see where the screws in the drywall are, the siding outside is falling off in places, and in a moderate wind you can feel the whole place shake and it feels like the roof is about to be torn off. But I'm sure the day they finished building it, it looked fantastic.

Oops. Diversion.

[Riverwind (imported)]

I wonder if we have the same friend in southern Missouri?

It sounds like you were talking about his house.

In Germany when a kid is about 16 they decide if you want to go to college or learn a trade. My friend picked a trade, house painter. He now lives here in the mid west and that's what he does, paints houses, actually he works for the contractor and supervises all the painters, teaching them how to paint so when done its perfect. how to do scrolls around the top of the walls for added beauty, etc.

We need this here, not all kids are cut out to work in an office or will go to college so teach them a trade. Start when there 15, make it a 4 year program.

River

[moi621 (imported)]

Hey, no knocking trade schools. .

And where exactly, quote please, was "trade schools" knocked?

Communication: Everyone talks about it but, too few practice it!

Maybe my post was just, swift boated?

Okay, The Point:

California Junior Colleges also function as trade schools and some with really excellent programs. Learn to be a commercial airline mechanic for example. Make good money too. BUT, the Junior Colleges also provide courses and credits as will transfer to a four year College or University to acquire a Bachelors. Some, such as Orange Coast College or College of the Redwoods offer programs of real academic excellence. When I lived in Wisconsin and Tennessee I was surprised by their lack of such schools back in the 70's.

My cousin went and just took construction courses and made a living in construction. He never sought a degree, 2 or 4 years one. But his statistics will be evaluated as a failure. Go figure.

Moi

[moi621 (imported)]

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our City Colleges are not mere trade schools as in some States, and our State College and University system along with the University of California system is the most inexpensive higher education available in America. ...

C'est California

Moi

Ooops, mere was indented as = "only" and not to diss trade schools.

My bad communication.

Absolutionator Moi

[transward (imported)]

All you have to do is take a good look at Glen Beck and know that we definately did evolve from animals -- baboons and hyenas.

What do you have against baboons and hyenas? Why insult them by comparing them to Glen Beck?

Transward