moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:18 pm I was a victim of California Progressive Education of the '50's where phoenetics was never taught and words were to be read like Chinese symbols.

I credit that with being a slow reader today.

I always say that at the age of 30 you have to give up blaming your parents and teachers for the bad things that happened to you in school.

I agree,

Now who I agree with you must guess.

River

Dave (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:02 am I always say that at the age of 30 you have to give up blaming your parents and teachers for the bad things that happened to you in school.

To stay on post...California is about freedom and creativity.

I would like to agree with River.

Yes, patterns of behavior are difficult to change and those of thought even more so. "Blaming others" could be a pattern. Now whether you just "give up" or just stop yourself from shifting responsibility is an entirely indiviual matter. As adults we are now responsible for ourselves. Understanding why we are the way we are is critical. So perhaps somene may just be accepting or acknowledging an aspect of their psyche, while another person identifies the need to assign responsibilty away from self. Too shift attention away from their own short comings onto another.

And "blaming" never really does anything anyway. Blaming is just a state of unmitigated frustation, completely counter productive.

"This is CW for Motel California...find your own damn light!"

chilli-

I went to 4 different elementary schools. Each one taught math a different way. One school, the first taught in a traditional way, I was doing okay.

The next school was different, immediately after lunch, one teacher had each student fold a piece of paper so that many squares would result. She would then play a record with a droning man's voice stating equations to solve and we were supposed to write only the answers in the squares on the paper. If anyone lost track for a moment or missed a square, all future answers were wrong too. This method did not teach me math, it taught me to hate math.

The next school didn't teach base 10. They taught base 2, base 3, base 4, base 5, base 6, base 7, base 8, base 9, base 11 and base 12. We spent hours with squiggles never to be seen again anywhere else in the world. This reinforced my hatred of math.

The last school, I do not even remember math ever coming up. The new Cable TV classroom was just coming into style.

Too many experiments and a number of really dumb ideas.

sag111 (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:49 pm As for California being special wellllllllll not so fast here on this one.If you want a place that is special go to Canada BC and you will see Gods country not some over blown state full of hot air and smog.Vancover and Vancover island are the most wonderful place I have been to.So if you live in BC dont even take a second look down south it isent worth it.I seen the fires in Canada because I watch all fires in the west as I hate there distruction.Why wasent the fire we had just out of Sacramento last week mentioned.We lost over 60 homes in about 5 hours last Sunday and all the news could say was poor LA.

I once lived in Sacramento. I did not hear about the fires. Where exactly, out Auburn way, down south, Nevada City, Grass Valley, east?

In one morning I get news about the fires of LA, the funeral of Michael Jackson, and an extremely heinious kidnapping and rape, news about the California deficit and so forth. All in just one morning. Wow......

I once heard a presentation that was trying to convince everyone that the Grand Canyon was created in a afternoon by a massive flood. Could not stop laughing, so I got up and walked out. No wonder the American School system is so screwed up.

Rusty they were in Auburn along hwy 49 going toward Nevada City and by the air port.

IbPervert (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:01 am I once heard a presentation that was trying to convince everyone that the Grand Canyon was created in a afternoon by a massive flood. Could not stop laughing, so I got up and walked out. No wonder the American School system is so screwed up.

That's the alternative to Darwinian Evolution and it's called "Intelligent Design" or more properly "Creationism"...

One of the biblical scholars says the earth was created about 6000 years ago and nothing existed before that. They have all these wild theories that can explain things like the Grand Canyon being created in a day and cavemen riding dinosaurs. Coal and oil being made in mere days from giant ferns... Don't ask about continental drift or tectonic plate theory.

This is the hatred of science. It goes back to the group that denounced Galileo and Copernicus. This is a concerted effort to halt the progress of science. Why, you ask? Well because then pollution science doesn't demand cleanups. Climate Change doesn't exist. And worst of all, mankind didn't evolve from animals.

All you have to do is take a good look at Glen Beck and know that we definately did evolve from animals -- baboons and hyenas.

IbPervert (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:01 am I once heard a presentation that was trying to convince everyone that the Grand Canyon was created in a afternoon by a massive flood. Could not stop laughing, so I got up and walked out. No wonder the American School system is so screwed up.

I agree, the Grand Canyon is a great place to visit, but who the F wants to learn the geological formation of it? Yeah, like the Word needs more geeks!

I read a book called The Haight Ashbury, A History. It basically asserts that the whole shitten late sixties party was contrived of and hatched in Virginia City, Nevada before it came to SF. SF was all Beat Niks before that.

Supposedly it all started at a crummy little shack called the Red Dog Salon, in Virginia City, NV. (For all you LA fans Virginia City is the same city from your favorite show Bonanza). And yes it is all conected. Once they got all the guns outta the hands of the "Folkies", the local sheriff didn't like the idea of mixing drugs and guns...don't need another boot hill or Dodge City for that matter, it was time for the sex drugs and rock and roll. So they tried with a group called the Charletan's, but they could not carry a tune, and the music basically sucked. Then along came Janice and her band. Pretty soon it was naked bodies, pot smoking, group sex and of coarse gel projections and LSD. They gave up the cowboy garb, and guns, started wearing edwardian clothes (of coarse only when they were in public were they fully clothed, the rest of the time nudity and group sex behind closed doors would suffice). At any rate the whole kitty and crew was shipped to SF, where there were pleanty of old victorians, and old cheap clothes to keep the new hippies happy. This is all after the beats and hipsters.

So Timothy Leary, the Dead and The Merry Pranksters were partying down the Peninsula around The Farm(That's Stanford), the Acid Test Ken Kesey and "One Flew Over the Cuckoo Nest wound up Driving the Bus to New York wit the money(he did win a pulitzer for that...no?:-\) I guess a del with the CIA is better than the devil. Well the bus triiiiiiipppp got the west and east together which lead to Woodstock. We had our Summer of Love out here, some of us were just tuff little sperm shooting up the tip of the peninsula or little eggs just floating 'round the bay back then. Berkley, was about gettin high and protesting war, women's rights, free speech. SF was about music and sex. Stanford was well a bit more constrained and logical.

So anyhow the party ended like they always do, and a new group settled out West, encouraged not by gold or free love but by the Village People and an ass kicking at Stonewall. Harvey Milk. Then the eighties came and AIDS and crack

So the birth of high tech, now everwhere is who we are, our parents ideas are what we have become.

And it all could not have come about without The Red Dog Salon, CIA, and Janice.

Please feel free to correct any mis-spells or errors.

chilli-