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πŸ“’I think that there is, or soon will be, a real problem of overpopulation but I think nature has a way of dealing with it via wars e.g. WWII pestilence, e.g. plagues and famines e.g. Darfur. Malthus was right but just a little before his time.

Mankind has prospered generally after sharp population reduction events e.g. the Black Plague epidemics in Europe were followed by the Renaissence. After the extensive blood letting of WWII the world has prospered for 60 years etc etc. So what is going to work this time? Maybe a dangerous variant of haemorragic fever (Ebola)? bird flu? Global Warming droughts? depletion of natural resources (oil,coal, minerals)?; the expansion of the great Islam-vs-the-West conflists into a WW? Various combinations of the above?

We can leave it all to the above mechanisms or we can decide to manage it. I don't much like Mao Tse Tung's philosophies but his one child/family policy was a step in the right direction and as far as I know was the only government that targetted population control through specific limits on family size.

This is the only humane way of bringing the overpopulation problem under control. The recent Florida mother of octuplets who already had six other children is a prime example of all the population excesses that people indulge in. My personal view is that the sole goal of this lady was to get higher child welfare and support payments. If all of mankind started having litters like this we would run out of standing room in short order and have to become amphibians. πŸ‘πŸ‘‹πŸ‘πŸ‘‹πŸ“’
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Francis (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:56 pm πŸ“’I think that there is, or soon will be, a real problem of overpopulation but I think nature has a way of dealing with it via wars e.g. WWII pestilence, e.g. plagues and famines e.g. Darfur. Malthus was right but just a little before his time.

Mankind has prospered generally after sharp population reduction events e.g. the Black Plague epidemics in Europe were followed by the Renaissence. After the extensive blood letting of WWII the world has prospered for 60 years etc etc. So what is going to work this time? Maybe a dangerous variant of haemorragic fever (Ebola)? bird flu? Global Warming droughts? depletion of natural resources (oil,coal, minerals)?; the expansion of the great Islam-vs-the-West conflists into a WW? Various combinations of the above?

We can leave it all to the above mechanisms or we can decide to manage it. I don't much like Mao Tse Tung's philosophies but his one child/family policy was a step in the right direction and as far as I know was the only government that targetted population control through specific limits on family size.

This is the only humane way of bringing the overpopulation problem under control. The recent Florida mother of octuplets who already had six other children is a prime example of all the population excesses that people indulge in. My personal view is that the sole goal of this lady was to get higher child welfare and support payments. If all of mankind started having litters like this we would run out of standing room in short order and have to become amphibians. πŸ‘πŸ‘‹πŸ‘πŸ‘‹πŸ“’

Death and disease are not always the result of overpopulation. Was North America overpopulated when wiped out by smallpox? Did the Indians enjoy a rebirth after the introduction of Europeans?

Disease could be entirely related to poor hygiene, sex practices or exploration, with an excessive population having nothing to do with a plague.

I just don't know that war plague and disease define overpopulation or are a symptom of over population.

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I read tonight one of the things in this new stimulus bill is this health bill that will not take care of the older folks because they cost to much.Sadly that means when I need medical attention I just might not be able to get it because I will be to old.I think this might take some of the older people off there books and the death rate for older people will go up and we will have less people to take care of.I think there will be more surprises befor we realey find out what this new adminestration has in store for us.Some times we get the people we vote for but are not ready for what they will do for usπŸ™‹
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sag111 (imported) wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:28 am I read tonight one of the things in this new stimulus bill is this health bill that will not take care of the older folks because they cost to much.Sadly that means when I need medical attention I just might not be able to get it because I will be to old.I think this might take some of the older people off there books and the death rate for older people will go up and we will have less people to take care of.I think there will be more surprises befor
e we really find out what this new admini
sag111 (imported) wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:28 am stration has in store for us.Some times we get the people we vote for but are not ready for what they will do for usπŸ™‹

Regarding Social Security and Medicare, or any future government health care program, the government is just like any other insurance company. They are playing the odds that you will never live to collect all the benefits due. When the Social Security retirement age was set at 65 in the 1930s, the average life expectancy was 64. Now the plans are to raise it to 70. It's also an actuarial fact the most people die within two years of retirement unless they move on to another career or a very active hobby.

Accounting for your benefit to society is the one consideration that most Americans find to be a problem with government controlled health care in other countries. After you have reached a certain age, is there a benefit to the society in spending the money for extreme medical procedures to prolong your life? Whether or not you are going to be of some continuing use to society is taken into account before treatment. This may sound frightening, but in reality, is no worse than in this country, where there is always a benefit...to the medical industry, until your family's money runs out.

Let's face it, the days when you could get continuing medical benefits in gratitude for years of loyal service to a company, or a government, are gone. That little departure from reality existed only for people who worked for the right large companies in the 1950s and 1960s. It didn't exist before and certainly does not exist now.

The only way to guarantee decent medical care in your senior years is to become filthy rich, and to do everything in your power to keep yourself in as good physical shape as possible. That won't change no matter who controls the medical industry, the government or the insurance companies. When you reach your "golden years" if you ain't rich, you're screwed. Looks like most of us are screwed.:(
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coinflipper_21 (imported) wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:58 am The only way to guarantee decent medical care in your senior years is to become filthy rich, and to do everything in your power to keep yourself in as good physical shape as possible. That won't change no matter who controls the medical industry, the government or the insurance companies. When you reach your "golden years" if you ain't rich, you're screwed. Looks like most of us are screwed.:(

I don't really think this is true. Wealth does not always equate to a healthy or full life. You do not have to be a financially wealthy person to enjoy a full life up to your last few. Take ownership of your physical and emotional health for starters. Forget about saving all your pennies, they ain't worth shit. First money was sea shells, then it was metal, then it was paper, now it's just 01001011 thru a damn computer chip!

It's gonna be like gladiators for us old farts all over again. You will be able to mead out justice with your cane only if your able! Just get your dementia dx and kick fuckin' ass!

...but if people keep feeding this system which breeds irresposibility and glutoney...yes their will nothing left for the old, weak, women and young.

People don't need jobs, they need less government(taxes), a diet, rehab, a bicycle and a purpose! Ohh yes and a good lovey too.:D

...and how about returning those eight f'n kids where they came from?

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chilliwilli (imported) wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:10 pm I don't really think this is true. Wealth does not always equate to a healthy or full life. You do not have to be a financially wealthy person to enjoy a full life up to your last few. Take ownership of your physical and emotional health for starters. Forget about saving all your pennies, they ain't worth shit. First money was sea shells, then it was metal, then it was paper, now it's just 01001011 thru a damn computer chip!

It's gonna be like gladiators for us old farts all over again. You will be able to mead out justice with your cane only if your able! Just get your dementia dx and kick fuckin' ass!

...but if people keep feeding this system which breeds irresposibility and glutoney...yes their will nothing left for the old, weak, women and young.

People don't need jobs, they need less government(taxes), a diet, rehab, a bicycle and a purpose! Ohh yes and a good lovey too.:D

...and how about returning those eight f'n kids where they came from?

chilli-

Willi, I happen to know someone who was in good health until age 89, then he took an unfortunate fall on ice and broke a shoulder and a hip joint. The first reaction of the doctors was, "There's not much we can do at his age. There's too much risk with the shock and anesthesia." But, when they found out that he could afford to pay for the very expensive procedures, all of a sudden the risks became more reasonable. He had the operations, recovered very nicely, and after a couple of years of therapy, which he could also afford to pay for, he is getting around nicely, is still mentally sharp and socially active, and is looking forward to getting to 100 and beyond.

Obviously, don't have to be rich to enjoy a full life. It's advisable to do everything you can to live a healthy life, especially as you get older, but you don't have to be rich to do that. However, when things beyond your control go wrong, being rich doesn't hurt. You're right about needing a purpose and a certain fierceness when approaching old age. Rich or not, getting old ain't for sissies.;)
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coinflipper_21 (imported) wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:55 pm Willi, I happen to know someone who was in good health until age 89, then he took an unfortunate fall on ice and broke a shoulder and a hip joint. The first reaction of the doctors was, "There's not much we can do at his age. There's too much risk with the shock and anesthesia." But, when they found out that he could afford to pay for the very expensive procedures, all of a sudden the risks became more reasonable. He had the operations, recovered very nicely, and after a couple of years of therapy, which he could also afford to pay for, he is getting around nicely, is still mentally sharp and socially active, and is looking forward to getting to 100 and beyond.

Obviously, don't have to be rich to enjoy a full life. It's advisable to do everything you can to live a healthy life, especially as you get older, but you don't have to be rich to do that. However, when things beyond your control go wrong, being rich doesn't hurt. You're right about needing a purpose and a certain fierceness when approaching old age. Rich or not, getting old ain't for sissies.;)

Flip-

Don't just "live" a healthy life, "enjoy" a healthy life. Failure to build pleasurable experiences into your youth, sucks the life out of you as you age. (Think I'll do the ten mile hike out to the falls.)

Anyway, I've seen people get their colons resected, then do six months of recovery, painful recovery, only to die six weeks after leaving the hospital. When any rational minded person would look at the facts and take the morphine highway home.

I doubt medical care is going to be the big issue for people now in their 30's and 40's anyway. Imagine retiring into a huge medical system built on the baby boomers backs! You could find yourself getting a free castration next to a guy who flew in from Africa to round out at a footlong.

Better just to be good to yourself than pray on a shining star, work yourself to death, or save all your now worth-less money.

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I read something interestin some time back and in this artical the researcher said. Given the current times and the way wepons are advancing the world can not keep up this pace for no more then another 50 years.I am not worried about this health bill and if us old folks are not taken care of what could I do by worring.I say of God is with me who can be against me.
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SOYLENT GREEN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVpN312hYgU)

...is the answer...

...so...

EAT ME!

πŸ˜„

...or go eat your grandma... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBb ... re=related)
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Grandma is out because Grandma got run over by a reindeer...

Maybe you heard about it.

We don't talk about it much. It is very sad.
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