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Re: Officially a eunuch 11/2008
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:41 am
by raymar2020 (imported)
Something esle is up if you are doing that much androgel , and still feel tired. I also question you still having drainage issues this long after surgery.
I had two orchiectomies a month apart , on Oct 7th, and November 7th , and am totally healed up. No swelling, no pains , and no drainage, since about the 5th day after.
You need to get to the Doc for some blood work. Must be a systemic infection.
Ray
Re: Officially a eunuch 11/2008
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:07 am
by Kangan (imported)
I'd guess that infection is dragging you down. As for the drainage, mine didn't quit until day 42 or 43.
Re: Officially a eunuch 11/2008
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:21 am
by mrt (imported)
A couple of Androgel tips. It must be "rubbed" in. If you see a white frost after it dries you didn't rub hard enough. Think almost massage - your not frosting a cake.
Its almost worthless if you rub it on hair. So, if your belly and shoulders are hairy? Shave or use Nair for men and get bare so it can work.
Don't get creative and apply it to other areas.
Infections are MAJOR bad news. Be proactive and scream to your doctor!
Re: Officially a eunuch 11/2008
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:04 pm
by bfleish (imported)
Everyone,
Thank you so much for your replies. This really is a special place and the support is the best!!!
The doc hit the nail on the head on what was making me so darn sleepy. The only reason he knew what was wrong was that he had another patient who experienced the same problem. I'll try to keep it brief:
The problem was a drug interaction with 2 drugs when taken at the same time. I am taking a statin (My cholesterol is just fine but my father died at 60 with terrible vascular disease so I've been taking it preventively for years) and a very low dose hypertensive drug for the same reason. I had just switched the statin drug to the generic because you can get 6 months worth at Costco for $16.00 (and 6 months of the hypertensive drug for $18.00). I don't want to say the names of the drugs (don't need lawyer's caroling at my door right now) but when you take them at the same time they interact (at least with me) and turned me into a sleeping zombie.
The doc suggested stopping the Statin drug till I felt better and then taking the statin in the evening and the hypertenstive drug in the morning and see how that does.
He was still concerned that there might still be an infection so they stole some of my blood (and they even charged me for stealing it) and he wrote a script for an antibiotic just in case.
The drainage from the drain hole is essentially gone. I would say it is maybe a drop or two a day. No more gauze and paper tape!!!
As for what MRT mentioned about applying Androgel. Here is how I do it. At $18/day I try to maximize my dosage. I put on vinyl gloves first. Androgel will not stick to vinyl but sticks to skin very well. I use the tubes instead of the pump. I squirt one tube into my left gloved hand and smear all of it on my right upper arm, shoulder and chest. I rub until the glove runs into friction. That means all the Androgel has been rubbed in or has evaporated. We're talking maybe 20 seconds. Then I repeat with my right hand. When I'm done I take off the gloves and put the empty tubes inside the gloves and tie it off. This way my curious cats can't (or at least they don't) bite into the empty tubes of Androgel in the trash can. The best part is that I don't have to wash my hands when I'm done!!
So my next quandary as the swelling goes down is boxers or briefs? I'm not into commando, sorry. Opinions?
Re: Officially a eunuch 11/2008
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:01 am
by mrt (imported)
bfleish (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:25 pm
I spoke to the surgeon today about the insurance company turning down the anesthesia part of the bill. His quote was "I HATE (Insert Insurance Company Name Here)". It seems that they turn down anesthesia for lots of urological procedures. He transferred me to his insurance person who sounded like she knew exactly what to do because she's done it lots of times. I am really hopeful that things will get straightened out.
Question. Insurance paid the surgeon $350.00 for the scrotal orchiectomy. It took him over 2 hours to do the orchiectomy because there was quite a bit of work separating the testicle from the scrotum due to the infection. He told me it was very difficult due to the vascular and nerve supply in the scrotum. If I had been conscious when he discovered how difficult it was to separate them I would have voted for removing the scrotum at the same time. But I never got to vote (although I did vote in the last election). For the first time ever I feel as though the surgeon didn't get paid enough. What do you think?
On a humorous note when the anesthesiologist injected the happy juice and then I was wheeled off to the OR the anesthesiologist started telling the most outrageous, hilarious, fall on the floor laughing castration jokes. Everyone including myself was laughing out loud. Then the anesthesiologist said to me "Good thing you won't remember any of these jokes because the drugs will make you forget them". I guess the Versed didn't work. "What did the penis say to the empty scrotum? Hey Buzz where did Woody go? I seemed to have lost him"
Ahh your talking about the Milk of Amnesia which didn't work at least one of several times that I was operated on. Odd!
Re: Officially a eunuch 11/2008
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:04 am
by mrt (imported)
bfleish (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:04 pm
Everyone,
Thank you so much for your replies. This really is a special place and the support is the best!!!
The doc hit the nail on the head on what was making me so darn sleepy. The only reason he knew what was wrong was that he had another patient who experienced the same problem. I'll try to keep it brief:
The problem was a drug interaction with 2 drugs when taken at the same time. I am taking a statin (My cholesterol is just fine but my father died at 60 with terrible vascular disease so I've been taking it preventively for years) and a very low dose hypertensive drug for the same reason. I had just switched the statin drug to the generic because you can get 6 months worth at Costco for $16.00 (and 6 months of the hypertensive drug for $18.00). I don't want to say the names of the drugs (don't need lawyer's caroling at my door right now) but when you take them at the same time they interact (at least with me) and turned me into a sleeping zombie.
The doc suggested stopping the Statin drug till I felt better and then taking the statin in the evening and the hypertenstive drug in the morning and see how that does.
He was still concerned that there might still be an infection so they stole some of my blood (and they even charged me for stealing it) and he wrote a script for an antibiotic just in case.
The drainage from the drain hole is essentially gone. I would say it is maybe a drop or two a day. No more gauze and paper tape!!!
As for what MRT mentioned about applying Androgel. Here is how I do it. At $18/day I try to maximize my dosage. I put on vinyl gloves first. Androgel will not stick to vinyl but sticks to skin very well. I use the tubes instead of the pump. I squirt one tube into my left gloved hand and smear all of it on my right upper arm, shoulder and chest. I rub until the glove runs into friction. That means all the Androgel has been rubbed in or has evaporated. We're talking maybe 20 seconds. Then I repeat with my right hand. When I'm done I take off the gloves and put the empty tubes inside the gloves and tie it off. This way my curious cats can't (or at least they don't) bite into the empty tubes of Androgel in the trash can. The best part is that I don't have to wash my hands when I'm done!!
So my next quandary as the swelling goes down is boxers or briefs? I'm not into commando, sorry. Opinions?
But are you hairy? If so shave shave and shave again! Re underwear there is NO question. My vote are briefs. Preferably made in China from silk...
Boxers are so 1940 US Navy...
Re: Officially a eunuch 11/2008
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:08 am
by Falcon (imported)
First, BF, congrats on finally losing the testicle. It's a great change, believe me. I'm sorry you had such a tough time with A**hole docs, but sadly, that's not unusual. Seems that they put you through hell trying to save a testicle that you were happy to lose. This was not about you, it was about their inability to empathize with your wants and needs.
Best of luck from here on and I hope things heal up soon.
Falcon
Re: Officially a eunuch 11/2008
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:26 pm
by bfleish (imported)
Day 24 followup:
I am over the crazy drug interactions so sleeping all the time is over. In fact it kind of reversed and sleep became difficult for the last couple of nights but I figured I slept so much for the last week I needed to catch up on staying awake.
The stitches still have not fallen out but I go to the doc next Wednesday and I'm pretty sure if they haven't fallen out by then he will coax them out.
The antibiotic seemed to do the trick and I seem to be infection free.
I realized today that it feels good to feel good.
I'm looking forward to another good and maybe some great days by the end of the weekend. I am BEYOND ready to close this chapter and move on to healthier sperm free times.
Re: Officially a eunuch 11/2008
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:08 pm
by Francis (imported)
Congrats from here too.
It really boggles my mind why the Dr went to such excessive pains to try and save what was obviously a doomed and probably non functional organ from your description and in the process put your well being and possibly your life at risk. All this in spite of your clear desire to have it all done with.
Maybe it had something to do with fears of a malpractice suit or something if you went home sterile. I guess the message is when you encounter a situation like this is to move quickly to change to a more sympathetic Dr. What have other people experienced in similar circumstances ?? Surely you should be able to make these kinds of dcisions yourself and have those decisions respected whan such medical conditions occur. GRRRRRR



Re: Officially a eunuch 11/2008
Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:16 am
by raymar2020 (imported)
I'll respond to several things. First off underwear. As a recent eunuch myself, I found that even my tiny nuts made for a loose bulge in my underwear once they were gone. I started out with all new, and love the cotton/lycra blend briefs from the swedish company H&M. The support and even enhance the firmness of your butt, as well as having a very small pouch , which fits best on guys without balls.
As to the feeling better thing. After nearly 30 years of troubles with my testicles, I really had no idea how much the pain was dragging me down. Once they were gone, I suddenly had this new energy , that could only be described as miraculous.
To all who are reading this, doctors seem to just "not get" the idea that a man would have testicle issues. The think that pain is "all in your head", or they flat out refuse to discuss any options other than medications. I saw at least 20 urologists over the years to try to find a cure for my testicle pain. I have been on HRT since my late teens almost totally. There was no reason why a sterile gay man with achy testicles should have been subjected to what I was, but the medical community has a knee jerk reaction to the idea of making eunuchs.
Ray