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Re: Family - how to tell them about transgender-eunuch ID? How much to say in first note?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:27 pm
by plix (imported)
I'm going to recommend being pretty cautious about telling people these things. I have to admit that one thing I've always been concerned about is the fact that you are so open with these issues (to people in real-life, not here on the boards - that I see no problem with). It is wonderful that you can be so open, but the unfortunate reality is that these issues are not considered something you tell just anyone, and they are not accepted and approved of by the majority of the general public.

As far as being gay is concerned, that I think has gained quite a bit more acceptance, and most people won't have any major problems with it. But being transgender is still not accepted by most people, even many who will accept that someone is gay.

Telling the fellow student would definitely have served no beneficial purpose as you have stated, and you were likely wise to not have said anything. As far as co-workers and friends go, I would only tell the closest of these who you feel really need to know. Telling casual aquaintances would probably be considered inappropriate.

Back when I believed I was transgender, I told a few people who I now regret telling. I now realize I was overly excited about my new identity and shared it inappropriately with people who didn't really need to know. Some of those people I no longer have contact with, but others I still do, and what I once thought I was makes things awkward in those relationships (at least for me).

I've also told most of my immediately family about my eunuch status and belief that I was transgender. Most of them did not approve. None really did approve, it's just that some were more tolerant than others. My relationship with my brother (who sounds a lot like yours) was probably forever destroyed by telling him. The only one who really doesn't know is my father, and what he can't figure out on his own he doesn't need to know.

It is nice to hear these stories about telling family members and having them respond with "I love you, Dad", but it is important to remember that these stories are one case. Just because those family members responded that way does not mean yours will too. Unfortunately just because someone is family does not mean they accept you as such no matter who you are. As many stories as I have heard of family members responding with love and compassion, I have heard many more of family members responding with hate and rejection.

Telling someone you are transgender (including a eunuch) is very, very different from telling them you are gay. Remember this.

Re: Family - how to tell them about transgender-eunuch ID? How much to say in first note?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:32 pm
by kristoff
plix (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:27 pm I'm going to recommend being pretty cautious about telling people these things. I have to admit that one thing I've always been concerned about is the fact that you are so open with these issues (to people in real-life, not here on the boards - that I see no problem with). It is wonderful that you can be so open, but the unfortunate reality is that these issues are not considered something you tell just anyone, and they are not accepted and approved of by the majority of the general public.

As far as being gay is concerned, that I think has gained quite a bit more acceptance, and most people won't have any major problems with it. But being transgender is still not accepted by most people, even many who will accept that someone is gay.

Telling the fellow student would definitely have served no beneficial purpose as you have stated, and you were likely wise to not have said anything. As far as co-workers and friends go, I would only tell the closest of these who you feel really need to know. Telling casual aquaintances would probably be considered inappropriate.

Back when I believed I was transgender, I told a few people who I now regret telling. I now realize I was overly excited about my new identity and shared it inappropriately with people who didn't really need to know. Some of those people I no longer have contact with, but others I still do, and what I once thought I was makes things awkward in those relationships (at least for me).

I've also told most of my immediately family about my eunuch status and belief that I was transgender. Most of them did not approve. None really did approve, it's just that some were more tolerant than others. My relationship with my brother (who sounds a lot like yours) was probably forever destroyed by telling him. The only one who really doesn't know is my father, and what he can't figure out on his own he doesn't need to know.

It is nice to hear these stories about telling family members and having them respond with "I love you, Dad", but it is important to remember that these stories are one case. Just because those family members responded that way does not mean yours will too. Unfortunately just because someone is family does not mean they accept you as such no matter who you are. As many stories as I have heard of family members responding with love and compassion, I have heard many more of family members responding with hate and rejection.

Telling someone you are transgender (including a eunuch) is very, very different from telling them you are gay. Remember this.

Wise and tempered words, Josh. Thank you!

Re: Family - how to tell them about transgender-eunuch ID? How much to say in first note?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:46 am
by Danya (imported)
I will comment on everyone's input later today or tomorrow night. I'm still recovering from exhaustion, partly from staying up way too late many nights posting on EA. :-)

I just want to comment briefly that I haven't told anyone who I consider no more than an acquaintance. Yes, I almost slipped up with the fellow student. He was mentioning he was divorced and I was all set to respond with 'well, I'm transgender'. Not quite the same level of disclosure there, with society's views on things. I realized I was experiencing hypomania and was somehow still able to keep my mouth closed.

IbPervert, I've never put down any minority group since I was a young child and realized I was different. Your comment is a good one, though, and I know many gay people, for instance, who are not out will put down other gays as a way of trying to show they are not part of that group.

I'm already writing more than I have time for now :-). I just want to say I very much appreciate everyone's comments, suggestions and concerns.

Re: Family - how to tell them about transgender-eunuch ID? How much to say in first note?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:13 pm
by _g (imported)
I feel that this kind of information ie your a eunch, should be on a need to know bases, your partner/lover and very close friends etc. Now you sexual origination is a different kind of thing. The information can be miss used so if you don't trust them with your life, they don't need to know.

Re: Family - how to tell them about transgender-eunuch ID? How much to say in first note?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:06 pm
by twaddler (imported)
I think the only people that I know who don't know are my sisters, and that's just because they both live far away. :D

I've become so much more confident with myself I really am not too worried about people's reactions. Maybe I should be? I don't know... I love living fairly transparently.

My family and friends, and surprisingly, even my girlfriends family and friends, all seem to be supportive and I have yet to see any negative reactions (except from doctors -- they don't count. :P).

I think maybe everyone knows me can see how I've went from totally withdrawn, suicidally depressed, and despondent 3 years ago to the fun-loving, smiley, happy, playful, enthusiastic person that I've once again become (I used to be like that as a kid before life beat me down a large bit); and that seeing that it makes them, maybe, more readily to accept the changes in my self because I am so obviously happy.. ? Something like that, I think. :D

--

Also, you've chosen Dannie? :D I like it.

Re: Family - how to tell them about transgender-eunuch ID? How much to say in first note?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:09 pm
by mrt (imported)
As I told me Daughter about her personal issues. You can never Un-tell a secret. If someone has a need to know? Ok. If not? Why burden them with your private issues?

I had to really ponder what was said about trans-gendered folks and people who are gay or lesbian. We had a pitched battle at the Church we used to go to over this. My feeling was it was very hard for me to see Jesus saying "Fuck you - your gay!" That didn't go over really well with those who were "perfect" already. SIGH.....

I always had this impression that most of the hate was from people who thought being gay was the decision by someone to "act" this way on purpose to make trouble etc. Then as more people learned that being Gay wasn't a choice to be different. And that calmed down some of the crazies. I think Hairless joked once that G.I.D. did NOT stand for "Glad I'm Different."

I admit it surprises me that most of you think that trans-gendered people are viewed much worse then homosexual people? Or am I reading that wrong? I would think its the same or maybe less having seen Pat Robertson (The 700 club guy) say that he was a-ok with transexuals. Believe it or not!

Maybe having mixed up hormones and being a male 2 MALE transexual 🙄 helps my understand of them better? Or at least having more empathy for this problem.

Re: Family - how to tell them about transgender-eunuch ID? How much to say in first note?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:16 pm
by Danya (imported)
From what I've been reading lately, even many gay people have an unfriendly view of transgendered people. 'The Advocate', a periodical for the GLBT community, recently ran an article on trans folks and some of the difficulties they face. The letters this generated really surprised me. One gay man said that being trans was 'a choice', for instance. Another reader wrote that transgender people didn't need to be in the fight for equal rights because they could get married. Never mind that they are discriminated against just like the rest of the GLBT community.

I appreciate your empathy, Mr. T :)

Re: Family - how to tell them about transgender-eunuch ID? How much to say in first note?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:44 pm
by Danya (imported)
I feel very grateful for all of the thoughtful responses on this thread. There are many caring people on the Archive and that has been made very clear to me, again, by the time and effort taken by all of you to respond. I'm feeling blown away by it all.

It's a little unusual for me, here on the Archive, to hold off on immediately replying to posts. That's exactly what I'm doing now, though, and it's because you've all given me reasons to stop and think. Some of you have written of your own experiences, as eunuchs, with family and friends. Others, interested bystanders :-), have also provided insights.

Once I've put my thoughts together, I'll let you know what I conclude is the best path for me.

-kirit

Re: Family - how to tell them about transgender-eunuch ID? How much to say in first note?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:18 pm
by kristoff
Danya (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:16 pm From what I've been reading lately, even many gay people have an unfriendly view of transgendered people. 'The Advocate', a periodical for the GLBT community, recently ran an article on trans folks and some of the difficulties they face. The letters this generated really surprised me. One gay man said that being trans was 'a choice', for instance. Another reader wrote that transgender people didn't need to be in the fight for equal rights because they could get married. Never mind that they are discriminated against just like the rest of the GLBT community.

I appreciate your empathy, Mr. T :)

-sasha aka todd

Well, if they are not welcome, why the damned T in GLBT? And while we're at it, why the damned bisexuals, too? What have they got to do with it for crying out loud? And whoever invited those damned dykes and faggots to the party, huh? Next thing you know "they'll" be wanting it to be GLBTE. Sheesh.

Re: Family - how to tell them about transgender-eunuch ID? How much to say in first note?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:22 pm
by Francis (imported)
IbPervert (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:58 am Well i suffer from Chronic Depression...at this point in my life I just assume that everyone knows i am gay, and if they have a problem with it I will be glad to help them through it...but it is not my problem.

Also, you can never predicate what another person will say or do so why try?

We are all creations of Father God and Mother God, and they send us off the school/earth to learn. Then when we graduate/die we go back and tell them what we learned. How can anyone learn if we do not screw things up?

I have the same chronic depression feeling. I am really a gay guy who anted to be part of the mainstream and has worked very hard to be seen as straight even to marrying and having children. I have never come out and probably never will, almost certainly not while my wife is alive. The chronic depression feeling is very familiar. Had I had access when younger to the EA and the guys and discussions on it I might have done a lot of things differently but now after 30+ years of not very comfortable marriage and three children I think it is too late and would be too traumatic to jump out into the open at this stage. I just continue on hiding my true identity and the only place I can be myself to any degree is on this Archive. I feel very much at home here and love you all.👥👯👯