Slammr (imported) wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:05 pm It may be nit picking, but I don't have a sexual "orientation." I have a sexual "preference" that changes -- has changed -- from time to time, more of a person preference than a gender preference. I have been in long-term exclusive relationships with both males and females, with more females than males.

Even in the first grade, I equally loved two of my classmates, a boy and a girl, John and Mary George, at that time, the two most popular kids in the class. I moved away from that town -- my home town -- when I was in the sixth grade, but saw both John and Mary George each once on subsequent visits (my grandparents lived in the town).

When I saw Mary George, she had become fat, which ruined it for me. I saw John last when I was about sixteen. He was still a good looking kid. I still have a thing for him -- for the boy he was then. Of course, he's an old man now -- if he's still alive -- but in my mind, he's still that sixteen year-old boy. I still think about him, but not about Mary George.

In high school, I was in love with another boy, Terry. I even wrote a story about him, Terry (http://www.eunuch.org/Alpha/T/ea_200540terry___.htm), much of what I wrote being true, especially about how I felt about him. Nothing sexual ever happened between Terry and me. I followed him around like a puppy, until we became friends. I last saw him about 35 years ago.

Anyway, a long explanation to explain why I don't feel I have a sexual "orientation." Most of the stories I write have a "G" classification, but they're somehow more fun. Been there, done that, so many more times with women. Also, it's easier to put myself in a male mind, than it is to put myself in a female mind. Too, no guy ever dumped me, while some women did. Think that has anything to do with it?

In a way, John and Terry are the two unrequited loves of my life. Maybe that's what I'm trying to recreate in my stories.

I suppose "preference" is certainly indivualistic. I get this knee-jerk reaction when I hear "preference" as that implies one was once non-gay but is now Gay as that is what they "prefer" or "chose." For me, there is certainly no "preference" in that my "orientation" is Gay all the Way!

Guess it's more like Keats' line "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." (Or was that Keats?)

I remember myself having a crush on a boy in the first grade but couldn't identify it. By the time I entered junior high I KNEW what a "crush" was and acted out on it. Had many sexual encounters from 12 years of age to 14. High School was a two year lover who dumped me for a female drummer! Drummer of all things! Could have been a tuba player, but a DRUMMER. Geez.

I would probably be horrified if I saw all the b/f's I had in high school and college as they would horrified to see me.

Oh well, life goes on.

(Don't you love how conversations get diverted from the main topics)?

Studlover

Studlover (imported) wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:16 pm (Don't you love how conversations get diverted from the main topics)?

Studlover

Well, that's conversation. One thing leads to another, just as it has in our "conversation."

Although I had a crush on John in the first grade, it didn't have a sexual component to it. Hell, I was as naive as could be. I don't even remember having a hard-on until the sixth grade, after I'd hit puberty. Then, my dick seemed to stay hard all the time, even though I was too ignorant to know what to do with it. Can you imagine any 12 year-old boy today, not knowing about jacking off? I was fourteen and had had a couple of wet dreams before I learned how to do it. Of course, once I learned, I couldn't keep my hand off my dick.

I had sexual experiences with two boys. Although I ejaculated while they watched. Neither of them did, while I watched. One of them, a younger boy, hadn't yet hit puberty, but knew more about sex than I did. He could get hard, but couldn't ejaculate. The other introduced me to his mother's vibrator, showing me how to use it, but just watched while I used it, then teased me the rest of the day. "Spurt, spurt," he'd say, making little jerking motions with his bent forefinger.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:39 pm Well, that's conversation. One thing leads to another, just as it has in our "conversation."

Although I had a crush on John in the first grade, it didn't have a sexual component to it. Hell, I was as naive as could be. I don't even remember having a hard-on until the sixth grade, after I'd hit puberty. Then, my dick seemed to stay hard all the time, even though I was too ignorant to know what to do with it. Can you imagine any 12 year-old boy today, not knowing about jacking off? I was fourteen and had had a couple of wet dreams before I learned how to do it. Of course, once I learned, I couldn't keep my hand off my dick.

I had sexual experiences with two boys. Although I ejaculated while they watched. Neither of them did, while I watched. One of them, a younger boy, hadn't yet hit puberty, but knew more about sex than I did. He could get hard, but couldn't ejaculate. The other introduced me to his mother's vibrator, showing me how to use it, but just watched while I used it, then teased me the rest of the day. "Spurt, spurt," he'd say, making little jerking motions with his bent forefinger.

Slammr, in those days naivitee was the norm. Today, first graders sure know what to do with their dicks. And my suspicions are they act upon those thoughts.

Hell, if things back then were like they are today in oppressive, right wing Christian Puritanical America I would probably have just been released from prision a few years ago!

Americans and their sexual repressiveness? BAH

Studlover

I too had many homosexual experiences in my teenage years beginning when I was 12, but I had to wait until I was 20 before I had my first heterosexual experience. So for quite a few years I thought I was homosexual. Anyway, I guess that is why I consider myself bisexual.

Once upon a time as an adult, I met a horny 13-year old. With my sexual addiction, I couldn't say no to his advances and things got pretty messy once the word got out into the community. No, I didn't got to prison, but I sure came close.

Today they have these sex offender lists and you are forever branded with the scarlet letter and cannot live in certain places due to all the punitive laws, etc. So perhaps you can see why I want to be castrated to calm my unnatural desires and prevent any future relapses.

Kangan (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:04 am I too had many homosexual experiences in my teenage years beginning when I was 12, but I had to wait until I was 20 before I had my first heterosexual experience. So for quite a few years I thought I was homosexual. Anyway, I guess that is why I consider myself bisexual.

Once upon a time as an adult, I met a horny 13-year old. With my sexual addiction, I couldn't say no to his advances and things got pretty messy once the word got out into the community. No, I didn't got to prison, but I sure came close.

Today they have these sex offender lists and you are forever branded with the scarlet letter and cannot live in certain places due to all the punitive laws, etc. So perhaps you can see why I want to be castrated to calm my unnatural desires and prevent any future relapses.

Not worth letting the Christian Right Wing put shame and guilt on you. Sex is a biological drive. Enjoy it for what it is worth. Put the past behind you and go on with life!

Studlover

O.K, Time for a REALITY CHECK, here ,boys...

Adults that screw around with children should know better. Despite what might or what might not have happened when we were children or adolescents, playing sexual games with our peers or what-have-you, going to somebody who is younger than you for sex, especially if they are not of age, IS taking unfair advantage of them. This is true regardless of the gender mix, male on male, female on female, male on female or female on male...

Honestly, humanity is so hung up on ts own sexuality it is a wonder all of us are not fucked-up or not fucking-up somebody else. Leaving religion completely OUT of it, it is NOT acceptable to prey on somebody sexually because of their inferior position in life or in society.

Slammr, your Algebra teacher should have been fired and something should have been done to keep him from doing these things with his charges. Minimally, he deserved castration or nullification. What he did to you was WRONG...

Regardless of what any of us ended up having a sexual preference for, it is wrong to take advantage of people sexually. Even people who have a lesser position in society can be taken advantage of by those in a more influential position. Look what happened to Di and Charles. Charles reduced her to no more than a royal brood mare. Then, she dies under strange circumstances...

Simply put, one needs to have some spiritual compassion for people, even if they are beautiful and tittlating. Now, don't get me wrong, S&M is beneficial to some people, but adding social position to the mix and making the socially inferior the slaves and the socially superior the masters is taking advantage.

You are NOT vindicated by blaming your tendancies to prey on people if you were victimized as a young person or victimized because of social or socio-ecnomic concerns. I REPEAT, A PREDITOR PREIST DOES NOT MAKE IT O.K.! If you feel that it happend to you and that makes it O.K. for you to do the same thing to somebody who is today in a position that you were in once, it is time to seek some counseling.

...and I am NOT saying this because there is something wrong with somebody who has these feelings. I am saying it so that if you do, maybe you won't RUIN YOUR LIFE AS REP. FOLEY HAS RUINED HIS LIFE.

FOR GOD SAKES...EUNUCHS...why have you renounced sexual things in the first place? What in the HELL are we doing here?



A-1

A-1 (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:36 pm O.K, Time for a REALITY CHECK, here ,boys...

Adults that screw around with children should know better. Despite what might or what might not have happened when we were children or adolescents, playing sexual games with our peers or what-have-you, going to somebody who is younger than you for sex, especially if they are not of age, IS taking unfair advantage of them. This is true regardless of the gender mix, male on male, female on female, male on female or female on male...

Honestly, humanity is so hung up on ts own sexuality it is a wonder all of us are not fucked-up or not fucking-up somebody else. Leaving religion completely OUT of it, it is NOT acceptable to prey on somebody sexually because of their inferior position in life or in society.

Slammr, your Algebra teacher should have been fired and something should have been done to keep him from doing these things with his charges. Minimally, he deserved castration or nullification. What he did to you was WRONG...

Regardless of what any of us ended up having a sexual preference for, it is wrong to take advantage of people sexually. Even people who have a lesser position in society can be taken advantage of by those in a more influential position. Look what happened to Di and Charles. Charles reduced her to no more than a royal brood mare. Then, she dies under strange circumstances...

Simply put, one needs to have some spiritual compassion for people, even if they are beautiful and tittlating. Now, don't get me wrong, S&M is beneficial to some people, but adding social position to the mix and making the socially inferior the slaves and the socially superior the masters is taking advantage.

You are NOT vindicated by blaming your tendancies to prey on people if you were victimized as a young person or victimized because of social or socio-ecnomic concerns. If you feel that it happend to you and that makes it O.K. for you to do the same thing to somebody who is today in a position that you were in once, it is time to seek some counseling.

...and I am NOT saying this because there is something wrong with somebody who has these feelings. I am saying it so that if you do, maybe you won't RUIN YOUR LIFE AS REP. FOLEY HAS RUINED HIS LIFE.

FOR GOD SAKES...EUNUCHS...why have you renounced sexual things in the first place?

A-1

A-1, Good Sir, this was TRUE CONFESSION time for Slammr and myself. It was not meant to say everything was hunky-dorey. We were talking about THEN.

Yes, I know that all boys who saws dicks, large or small, read dirty email are scarred for life and we faggots have lead them down the road of debauchery.

Ho-hum. Life goes on!

Yes, I am sure that Slammr and myself along with 1000's of other young men have had totally screwed up lives as a result of this horrid, horrid thing!

And besides, the Catholic Priest is responsible for Foley, afterall, the "Devil Made Him Do It."

Any more blame game you wish to play?

Studlover, the screwed up faggot because he had relations with men of all ages!

Studlover (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:42 pm A-1, Good Sir, this was TRUE CONFESSION time for Slammr and myself. It was not meant to say everything was hunky-dorey. We were talking about THEN.

Yes, I know that all boys who saws dicks, large or small, read dirty email are scarred for life and we faggots have lead them down the road of debauchery.

Ho-hum. Life goes on!

Yes, I am sure that Slammr and myself along with 1000's of other young men have had totally screwed up lives as a result of this horrid, horrid thing!

And besides, the Catholic Priest is responsible for Foley, afterall, the "Devil Made Him Do It."

Any more blame game you wish to play?

Studlover, the screwed up faggot because he had relations with men of all ages!

Settle down, my friend.

Frankly, I don't care about your feelings. I care about YOU!

All I am saying is that regardless of how you feel, doing the kinds of things in question can make one miserable and make one's life a living hell.

Of course, not while one is doing them. But afterward.

Feel how you want, insult me if you want, it is just that one must be careful how one deals with people. It is not normal to have relationships where people are not on equal grounds unless you are fantasizing and nobody is getting hurt psychologically.

I have seen it happen time and time again.

It is NOT judgment I am talking about. It is instead reality. People get in a lot of trouble. Look at what happened to Foley.

I repeat, you cannot blame what happened to him on a Catholic Priest, living OR dead. To hell with BLAME...

Placing blame is counter-productive.

Do you agree that Foley has a problem in his life now?

What might he have done to avoid his problem while still satisfying his needs?

Those are the issues, my friend. I realize that with Slammr and you that was then and now is now. But even then being taken advantage of because of your age was NOT all right, and people OUR AGE are suing the Catholic Church and they are PROVING that it was not all right.

It was certainly NOT your fault if you were taken advantage of, and if you ARE Gay, or Str8 OR WHATthehellever.. that is O.K.

O.K.?

Sheese....

A-1

A-1 (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:47 pm Settle down, my friend.

Frankly, I don't care about your feelings. I care about YOU!

All I am saying is that regardless of how you feel, doing the kinds of things in question can make

you miserable and make your life a living hell.

Of course, not while you are doing them. But afterward.

Feel ha

A-1 (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:47 pm ow you want, insult me if you want,

just be careful how you deal

A-1 (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:47 pm with people. It is not normal to have relationships where people are not on equal grounds unless you are fantasizing and nobody is getting hurt psychologically.

I have seen it happen time and time again.

It is NOT judgment I am talking about. It is instead reality. People get in a lot of trouble. Look at what happened to Foley.

I repeat, you cannot blame what happened to him on a Catholic Priest, living OR dead. To hell with BLAME...

Placing blame is counter-productive.

Do you agree that Foley has a problem in his live now?

What might he have done to avoid his problem while still satisfying his needs?

Those are the issues, my friend. I realize that with Slammr and you that was then and now is now. But even being taken advantage of because of you age was NOT all right, and people OUR AGE are suing the Catholic Church and they are PROVING that it was not all right.

It was certainly NOT your fault if you were taken advantage of, and if you ARE Gay, or Str8 OR WHATthehellever.. that is O.K.

O.K.?

Sheese....

A-1

A-1. You're boring me. Yawn.

Don't you have tortillas to make or snow to shovel?

At least here in Texas we shovel Bullshit. Being a Native Texan, I *know* how to shovel BS, and am damn good at it, too.

Anyway, I got more important things to do with my life, especially tonight, than argue this nonsense!

Aurevoir, Bon Monsieur.

SL

Sir,

I wouldn't BORE you,

Neither would I Stroke you...

I just don't want you fouling your plugs, O.K.?





A-1