HEY!

we in the chatroom are very careful in what is said there. we try our best to keep that kind of communication in private at best. No one would recommend anything illegal without one of us stomping on them in the lobby. We are really a supportive lot and most of what goes on there is taylored to helping us cope, not getting us killed.

As for cutters, nobody in their right mind would seek untrained surgeons for any reason, other than finding something that society thinks is wrong (wrong or right). If it were not so illegal and unethical, you would never see one. Take abortion for example. Back room Abortions nearly stopped altogether after Roe V. Wade. If abortions were again illegal, they would again proliferate. something to do with supply and demand.

Myself, i am male. i probably will die male. i never felt male, but,due to past mistakes, (marriage, kids, a job and family) i play the hand i was delt and live through my chat room, my stories and the odd post here and there.

peace be.

Hash (imported) wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:13 pm Dr. Kimmel making more mistakes then some cutters? Give me a break and stop the insanity. River is right, Kimmel has done over 10,000 castrations, he's extremely knowledgeable and experienced. If you want to risk your life with some inexperienced cutter who gets off castrating men, keep chatting in the chat room, you're bound to find one. If you want to use someone who makes you take them to McDonalds before they hit the road, fine, you'll probably end up in the emergency room. Kangan, it's your life they're talking about, do you seriously want to try a cutter rather than an experienced doctor? Think it over carefully. I'd rather pay the money, and it's not that much compared with other operations, $2000. grand by a qualified physician. Do it right or don't do it at all. Hash

P.S. I thought Neanderthal's were extinct, but from what I've been reading they must have survived the ice age.

I did go to McDonalds but did not need to go to the emergency room.

I think this is an important discussion and all aspects ought to be considered. At the EA, we emphatically discourage the use of cutters. This is not only for legal reasons, but most importantly, for safety reasons. There may well be consientious and capable "cutters" out there, but do you want to chance it with your life? Granted one can run into severe difficulty with a surgeon - incompetence (i.e., old age, etc. or otherwise), chance complication, whatever. God knows I did (Spector almost caused my death through incompetence - he fully retired very shortly thereafter.) But, as a general rule, one's odds of success, survival, and many fewer complications are much better with a qualified surgeon.

I do welcome a full discussion of this issue here, but do keep in mind that posts either soliciting a cutter or advertising as one, will not be permitted.

The Title of the Thread is "Cutters with a License". I honestly believe if the government did some training and licensing of cutters, we would have more people getting castrated by someone legally rather than someone illegallly. There is no reason why a medical professional with proper training and licensing by the government could not do as good or better than. Training would have to including knowing when to surrender and allow a surgeon to continue or a emergency room to administer aid.

If cutters were licensed to castrate, there would be a lot more castrations but also a lot more eunuchs who wish they never would have done it. In my opinion, making castration easier will also destroy lives. Because castration is difficult, it acutally prevents mindless "wannabe's" from rushing out and getting cut. Generally speaking, the "difficulty" saves men from jumping into something that they'll regret. How many times must it be stated that castration should not be done for the sexual thrill or for those fantasizing about it. In fantasy's you keep your testicles, in reality when their removed they stay removed and you will not ever be the same. Getting castrated was the right thing for me, but it took me years to finally go through with it, I had to be prepared.

Until the medical community is truly aware of some of our needs to become eunuchs I am afraid there will be cutters. Educating the medical community may not be easy but I think it would be more difficult to push for licensed cutters. Hash is right about making it too easy but I do think receiving chemical castration drugs should be easier for those who think castration is the answer. After a month or two they should have a pretty good idea. A doctor could always say use the meds for six months and test drive being a eunuch. Then if you still want it we will operate.

When I was ready a cutter was all I was aware of and I do not recommend one. My procedure went fairly well as did several other posters but I wonder how many out there would have much different stories.

JeffEunuch (imported) wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:58 am I have to totally agree. However, it's up to those submitting to castration to ascertain that their procedure will be safe, and this is perhaps too big an onus to put on most patients. Given the underground nature of the act, even the savviest of customers can never know for sure. That being said, a lot o' guys eventually go this route - and safely. I find it interesting that one of the points made by the Thai clinic that does penectomies for guys that've been castrated for awhile is that it's definitely advisable to go to their clinic because the results are assured, and a penectomy is a much more difficult procedure than removal of testicles - and sometimes the sac - and cannot be done well by someone not trained in cosmetic procedures as well surgical procedures. This statement acknowledges that most of their clients have been castrated in the 'informal' sector.

The guy that eventually did me was a vet's ass't that'd castrated a couple hundred dogs, cats and other animals. My procedure went remarkably well in comparison to a lot o' what I've heard about some of Dr Kimmel's patients. While I was ambivalent about staying over, he insisted I stay with him the first night, which I did. I knew one 'cutter' that was a farmer and had surgically castrated dozens of his own horses and pigs - and about a dozen humans. And like 'Lose Them,' don't ask.

Castrating a horse or pig or cat or dog is not even the same as castrating a human, if you thing there the same then by all means go to your cutter and I wish you the best, because if there is a problem you will be on your own. When I took Rupert to the vet he was home the next day and never another thought as to his visit which is true with all critters. The plumbing for a human is much different than that of a pig, but if you think of yourself as a pig, go to a vet, or cutter.

Spector in the last few years he was in business was getting a very bad rep, and scared the hell out of me which is why I waited so long. When we found Kimmel it was wonderful, for here is a man with the experience and qualifications to do this kind of work. Like I said before, if there is a problem which there can be with any operation, your not left on the kitchen table to fend for yourself.

Your choise, I wish you the best.

River

Threads take on a life on their own as different aspects get discussed and provoke further offshoots and that is as it should be.

In the original post, however, and it's title, I was not suggesting that some sub-class of medical professionals, cutters, like mid-wives, get licensed to perform more and more safe castrations.

I was trying to point out the extreme unfair unbalance in the equation, where someone with the desire to be castrated is asked to justify their "bizarre fetish" and explain this desire endlessly, how could you want this, at what age did it start, let's make sure your are not mentally ill, ad nausem, whereas the desire to castrate is never questioned.

I'm not concerned with an actual individual, Dr. So and So, Somewhere Planet Earth, I'm saying that if Dr. So and So ended up highly licensed and skilled and is castrating, castrating, castrating, then that indidual, quite legitmately, and not nefariously, is exhibiting a manifestation of the other side of the equation, so either this a bizarre fetish or it is not.

If I were to be asked when my desire started, I expect Dr. So and So to answer my own question, "When did yours start?" or "Why do you want to be castrated?" could be countered with "Why do you castrate?"

I'm once again point blank saying, not about skills, but about urges, that Dr. So and So IS a cutter who BECAME licensed, and it would be foolish to pretend otherwise. I'm glad he pursed it to the point where he can now do it carefully and humanely, and safely and with follow up, but...when did this desire start in him, yesterday?

Always?

Justify it, explain it, take a psychological test for me, sign a form for me. And by the way, my fee for letting you do what you love doing is $2,500.

Well a EMT or Vet. has the ability to "cut" it's more about being familiar with WHAT it is your cutting..I to would have to say ,I have never discussed anything with people outside of the underground on such things,nor given a "referal" of name,,even with Burdizzo castrations.I would almost question that with the Kimmel/Spector thing and there names tossed about so easily,,it's a wonder they have not been set up in some way or taken to court.