A GF's dilemma.

[emasculateme (imported)]

Lets mince no words here, the eunch.org community is very strongly tied to the bdsm community, and one strong aspect of bdsm is to be changed, against one's will, to suit the will of the dominant one. And inherently, twisted as it may be, many subs do derive a sense of satisfaction from that, even though they may have been changed unwillingly.

i know this is at least in part my mindset...the idea of not having control over the changes that would be made is one of the hottest, for me, aspects of it...if i feel any sense of control...i lose interest.

Yoli...i do think your compromise is a good one...however...i don't feel it's equitable...i'd imagine that losing the outer lips would be far more detrimental to her than losing the foreskin would be to him...of course, i was circumsized as a baby, so i could be mistaken there.

[A-1 (imported)]

Well, as luck would have it, I flew back on another Sooner fan's playtoy this AM. Am I glad to be out of the KC weather? Yes!!!! The official temp at kickoff was 31F but it had dropped a bunch by game's end.

As I hoped and predicted, the Mighty Oklahoma Sooners mangled Mizzou 61-21 as we shivered in the stands and will play the U. of Florida for all the marbles in the Orange Bowl. We finish the regular season 12-1.

That said, I had a call awaiting me from the lady this thread was originated in re to. She has flat told her hubby that there will be NO labia snipping...period and if he wants impromptu BJs (which she loves to give, as it were,) he'll carry a jug of water, some soap, and a towel whenever they wander far from running water. He, so she stated, agreed in total and apologized for being a jerk. All is well.

On a related note...The victory celebration was wayyyyyyy over the top. I had vowed to drink one shot for every point in the margin of victory...FORTY SHOTS??? I stopped at seven.

More Kawfeeeee (and Alka Seltzer!) Thank God the plane ride wasn't too bumpy.

Love,

Yoli

Dear Yoli,

For all that YOU DO THIS VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zdDfQrPi5Q) is for YOU!

You tell that hater of female genitalia that the young lady has nothing wrong with her that could not be fixed by a JUDICIAL APPLICATION of DUCT TAPE....

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Over his....

GODDAMED MOUTH!

Maybe he should wear a bllindfold if he desn't like to look at her.... how do you say ...

>^..^<

..HE should feel priviledged that she still shows it to him....

[speedvogel (imported)]

In THIS case Yoli said the woman in question doesn't want to have it done. She also didn't indicate a BDSM situation exists between the couple. I would also point out in a master/slave relationship she would be ordered to have it done vs being asked to have it done.

Batman

In a proper BDSM master-slave relationship, she still would not have to have it done. The bottom always has ultimate control.

Speed

[FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)]

Have a moment while dinnahhhhh is cooking (Ground sirloin with bacon wrap, baked po-tah-to, steamed broccoli, baked beans, dinner rolls, buttahhhhh, and cheesecake for 'zert. Did I mention *BEANO[TM]?)

That said...

Guys, it was NEVER remotely related to BDSM. NOT EVER. He simply had seen a tight-lipped ussy-pay or two in person (one of which happened to be mine, as we all skinny dipped) and some in print or on the net so well as some Polaroids of hers BEFORE the kids came along. I guess it was a case of nostalgia

These folks have a secure and loving marriage and are best friends so well as lovers. It was just a little hiccup that turned into temporary heartburn.

All is well! ALL IS WELL!

NOTE TO A-1:

Dear Steak Sauce,

Great video! I'm sending it to my mom and I assure you she'll see to it that Dad and Grandpa see it.

Thanks.

Frankly, I don't know all that many people that are into BDSM in the pure sense of the term. Oh, I like to be spanked now and then but not whipped, nor do I want various clamps and jumper cables attached to me.

Marlene and her eunuch-to(maybe)-be enjoy a little bit of him "Worshipping" her via foot play, cunnilingus without release for him, and some mildly painful ball and peepee play. These sessions are only on occasion and are far outnumbered by bouts of good old SEX! (with reminders to him that his balls will be missed...but by whom?)

The Thai ladyboy, my ballsless treasure, is not into BDSM but will convincingly roleplay if asked. "She" is just a good sport, I suppose. We've not engaged in any in the brief time I've known "her" but the Houston eunuch (the nice one of the two) that brought "her" into my life sez she can be quite the terror...or the terrorized, on request.

I don't think I'll explore that facet of her talents until I've exhausted my curiousity and fascination (never!) re her tiny peepee and empy little baggie.

Well, well, wellllll...Lady Ash(leigh) has presented me with a nice Manhattan and a suggestion that I get my adorable hiney into that kitchen...or else!

Love, etc.

Yoli

Designated Chef Of The Evening

*Why the BEANO? Well, duh! Broccoli, baked beans? You do the math.

Yes, even angels fart.

[punkypink (imported)]

i know this is at least in part my mindset...the idea of not having control over the changes that would be made is one of the hottest, for me, aspects of it...if i feel any sense of control...i lose interest.

Yoli...i do think your compromise is a good one...however...i don't feel it's equitable...i'd imagine that losing the outer lips would be far more detrimental to her than losing the foreskin would be to him...of course, i was circumsized as a baby, so i could be mistaken there.

i quote y

r post to make a point to another post i'd like to reply to:

In a proper BDSM master-slave relationship, she still would not have to h

ave it done. The bottom always has ultimate control.

Speed

Ever heard of consensual non-consent? Some of them, the only control they have is in the decision to give up control. Anything after that is fair game and entirely up to the dom.

I don't know what is the relationship in this case, and I don't really care. Yoli's posts are sometimes abstract to the point that the details are not comprehensible. My only point is in tackling the saying that "one

should NEVER have plastic surgery to make someone else happy

" and "one ONLY does it for oneself, not someone else", because both statements are simply too absolute and were not simply aimed at the circumstance in this case. I mean, afterall the person who made those statements, and other people who also share these sentiments did not say "in this case, she shouldn't..." or something to that effect. I am not wrong in saying that most of the people who straight up made such sweeping, absolute statements were reacting partially out of instinctive emotion than carefully thought logic am I? Its the same sort of gut feeling that makes people react the way they do to something they might not understand or approve, much like how people say things like "no man should have sex with another man" or "no man should want to lose his cock". Heck, the originator of those 2 absolute statements even says that "it made him mad" which pretty much proves my point that its a reflex emotional response akin to how "you must be mad to want to lose your cock!" people respond because the idea of anybody desiring penectomy makes them angry.

Hence I am just pointing out the irony of responses arising from such "gut punch emtional reflexes" on the eunuch.org forums, when just about everyone here would claim intolerance and bigotry where they to get the same reflex response from other people who do not understand the desires of many here to be castrated/penectomized/nullified/enslaved etc. In somewhere as controversal and unconventional as eunuch.org, sweeping, absolute statements don't quite have a place do they?

P.S. Yoli, why do u refer to your thai transsexual as a "her" and "she"? Surely she has the right to be referred to by the pronouns she is rightfully entitled to based on her gender-identity? Unless u're misleadingly using the term "ladyboy" to refer to a male-identified crossdresser rather than a male to female transsexual, then i suppose it kinda makes sense.

[FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)]

And you're calling MY posts "Abstract"?

I oughta come over there and smear your mascara!

Pinkles,

I DO admit to verbosity but some think of it as detail, clarification, or simply fun.

I know you weren't being unkind in your comment (so I'll only smear your left eye.)

If I caused your monitor to run out of ink PM me your mailing addy and I'll send you a pint or so.

Cat fight! Cat fight!

Love,

Yoli

[punkypink (imported)]

And you're calling MY posts "Abstract"?

I oughta come over there and smear your mascara!

Pinkles,

I DO admit to verbosity but some think of it as detail, clarification, or simply fun.

I know you weren't being unkind in your comment (so I'll only smear your left eye.)

If I caused your monitor to run out of ink PM me your mailing addy and I'll send you a pint or so.

Cat fight! Cat fight!

Love,

Yoli

Lol u know when i read yr posts i get the sensation of being on a cloud. My posts, when I read them, make me feel like im in a stuffy library full of dusty papers. That why ur posts r abstract. It has this sense of randomness like a dandelion seed floating on the wind. We might both be verboise but at least YOUR verbosity can claim to be fun. Mine can't =( I blame my english class. It's making everything I write look like its meant to belong in some academic paper.

[Beau Geste (imported)]

I may be wrong about this, but I get the impression that, to some women, sexual congress with a eunuch, isn't considered to be real marital infidelity. I can guarantee you that a lot of men wouldn't agree, especially if the eunuch has prosthetic implants and takes HRT, which would make it hard to tell him from an uncastrated man. Maybe there is something of a philosophical argument here, in terms of whether the sex act is simply reproductive, or the expression of something deeper.

As to the lady with the difficulties regarding her pudenda--isn't it possible that the desired appearance could be attained, without surgery, or at least without excising any of the tissue? Reimplantation or something might be possible. Also, perhaps something akin to the usual vaginal exercises, might allow better control of the location of the labia. Something that might be looked into, anyway, even if the lady's husband has decided her existing condition is okay.

Years ago, an acquaintance described going to an erotic revue in Europe (I think it was in Paris) in which on member of the cast had the Hottentot apron. He said he didn't think there was any possibility that the woman could wear panties. No idea if she was an actual Hottentot.

[FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)]

I may be wrong about this, but I get the impression that, to some women, sexual congress with a eunuch, isn't considered to be real marital infidelity. I can guarantee you that a lot of men wouldn't agree, especially if the eunuch has prosthetic implants and takes HRT, which would make it hard to tell him from an uncastrated man. Maybe there is something of a philosophical argument here, in terms of whether the sex act is simply reproductive, or the expression of something deeper.

As to the lady with the difficulties regarding her pudenda--isn't it possible that the desired appearance could be attained, without surgery, or at least without excising any of the tissue? Reimplantation or something might be possible. Also, perhaps something akin to the usual vaginal exercises, might allow better control of the location of the labia. Something that might be looked into, anyway, even if the lady's husband has decided her existing condition is okay.

Years ago, an acquaintance described going to an erotic revue in Europe (I think it was in Paris) in which on member of the cast had the Hottentot apron. He said he didn't think there was any possibility that the woman could wear panties. No idea if she was an actual Hottentot.

Yoli here, up too &$^%@#! early (quail hunt. gotta pick up guests and drove 80 miles...MORE KAWFEEEE!)

The lady friend does "play around" a bit with Barry T. Eunuch on occasion but mostly she plays the Sapphic card with me (nice!) Her hubby knows about our fun and games and is quite OK with it, his only gripe being that he is not allowed to join in the fun. She will NOT even touch an intact male save for her hubby, so all is well. They are in love, you see.

So far as exercises to labia size goes...no such thing exists, and I guess I have failed in the details; Her little flaps are not all that pronounced and that is why I was so amazed that he had any issues at all regarding them. So far as "performance" is concerned he certainly has no complaint about the nicely snug fit his peepee encounters when inside her. She is a daily practitioner (as am I) of Kegel exercises and I doubt any male, even one of lesser endowment, could tell she's had kids. Heck, she doesn't even have stretch marks. Her bewbs are nice and perky and her nipples don't have that chewed-to-a-pulp look at all.

Another plug for her "Tabs" as I call them; Just teasing them lightly with a fingertip or tongue (I do that kind of work:D) starts her honey flowing, so to lose them would be REALLY stupid.

Re: Hottentot aprons; I have never seen a true example save for those images I've stumbled over on the internet. Some are truly amazing (and a tad gross, but to each his/her own, right?)

Yoli's Gripe Of The Day: I nicked my sweet lil' >^..^< while shaving last night. I didn't realize it until I saw blood on the towel as I was drying off...EEEK! No real damage and I remembered that my dad and grandpaw have these little white things in their medicine cabinets called Styptic Pencils. Well, Yoli ain't gots one of those but my beloved Ash(leigh) rubbed a bit of Mitchum deodorant gel on the cut and that served the same purpose. BTW, I use unscented Mitchum gel rather that those "female" products. It is the most effective one I've ever found and there's no scent to clash with my colognes.

Also...teehee...I apply a light touch of it elsewhere (See: Rear Port of Entry) and it keeps that all nice all day as well.

Well, time to check my traps (PMs and other threads) and head out to the truck.

Bye for now,

Yoli

Goddess Of The Hunt

PS: Even though I do have a small and tidy patch of pubes I'm toying with the idea of becoming permanently "bald" down there via electrolysis. But...one of the Koven members had that done and she said she confessed to several unsolved crimes dating back for a century as it was being done...PAIN!

Couldn't some sort of local anesthesia be applied?

Y.

[A-1 (imported)]

Yoli here, up too &$^%@#! early (quail hunt. gotta pick up guests and drove 80 miles...MORE KAWFEEEE!)

The lady friend does "play around" a bit with Barry T. Eunuch on occasion but mostly she plays the Sapphic card with me (nice!) Her hubby knows about our fun and games and is quite OK with it, his only gripe being that he is not allowed to join in the fun. She will NOT even touch an intact male save for her hubby, so all is well. They are in love, you see.

So far as exercises to labia size goes...no such thing exists, and I guess I have failed in the details; Her little flaps are not all that pronounced and that is why I was so amazed that he had any issues at all regarding them. So far as "performance" is concerned he certainly has no complaint about the nicely snug fit his peepee encounters when inside her. She is a daily practitioner (as am I) of Kegel exercises and I doubt any male, even one of lesser endowment, could tell she's had kids. Heck, she doesn't even have stretch marks. Her bewbs are nice and perky and her nipples don't have that chewed-to-a-pulp look at all.

Another plug for her "Tabs" as I call them; Just teasing them lightly with a fingertip or tongue (I do that kind of work:D) starts her honey flowing, so to lose them would be REALLY stupid.

Re: Hottentot aprons; I have never seen a true example save for those images I've stumbled over on the internet. Some are truly amazing (and a tad gross, but to each his/her own, right?)

Yoli's Gripe Of The Day: I nicked my sweet lil' >^..^< while shaving last night. I didn't realize it until I saw blood on the towel as I was drying off...EEEK! No real damage and I remembered that my dad and grandpaw have these little white things in their medicine cabinets called Styptic Pencils. Well, Yoli ain't gots one of those but my beloved Ash(leigh) rubbed a bit of Mitchum deodorant gel on the cut and that served the same purpose. BTW, I use unscented Mitchum gel rather that those "female" products. It is the most effective one I've ever found and there's no scent to clash with my colognes.

Also...teehee...I apply a light touch of it elsewhere (See: Rear Port of Entry) and it keeps that all nice all day as well.

Well, time to check my traps (PMs and other threads) and head out to the truck.

Bye for now,

Yoli

Goddess Of The Hunt

PS: Even though I do have a small and tidy patch of pubes I'm toying with the idea of becoming permanently "bald" down there via electrolysis. But...one of the Koven members had that done and she said she confessed to several unsolved crimes dating back for a century as it was being done...PAIN!

Couldn't some sort of local anesthesia be applied?

Y.

Dear Yoli,

I hear that the laser electrolysis is painless or at least LESS painful than the electrical method.

Go do your homework before you do anything er.. rash?