I have really jumped the gun here, but i seem to be ok so far.

[DonFL (imported)]

6 days

Well, almost 6 day. No pain....! The abnormality on my left side is, for a lack of a better term, dissolved. There is a indention on my teste where it used to be. I called my urologist to talk to him about this, and after getting a lecture, he was most fascinated with the pain reduction and the growth going away. I go in tomorrow for a sonogram, that is always an interesting experience... lol... Im letting my depo-provera run out, and Ill cut all other anti-androgen in a few more weeks. Ill let my body find its new normal and then ill go for a round of tests at my endo doctor...

My urologist promised that he wont have guys with a white coat waiting for me.. lol...

Update

The world was almost short one urologist today...

After my examination & sonogram, he proceeds to tell me my self treatment seems to have destroyed the growth that was causing me the most trouble, and my other ball that also received the treatment is not something he can compare in his practice, the internal structure seems to be significantly reduced. He then proceeded to lecture me on the fact that i should have continued to seek mainstream treatment, and that since i had gone to such extremes to rid myself of the effects of my hormone problem & pain, that an orchiectomy may have been a proper treatment for me. You know how they say men are supposed to be calm and docile without T? Bull shit. After being told that i had such a surge of anger that he is VERY lucky that nothing solid was in easy reach of me, or you might be reading about me in the paper for having beat the crap out of him...

[Kangan (imported)]

6 days

Update

The world was almost short one urologist today...

After my examination & sonogram, he proceeds to tell me my self treatment seems to have destroyed the growth that was causing me the most trouble, and my other ball that also received the treatment is not something he can compare in his practice, the internal structure seems to be significantly reduced. He then proceeded to lecture me on the fact that i should have continued to seek mainstream treatment, and that since i had gone to such extremes to rid myself of the effects of my hormone problem & pain, that an orchiectomy may have been a proper treatment for me. You know how they say men are supposed to be calm and docile without T? Bull shit. After being told that i had such a surge of anger that he is VERY lucky that nothing solid was in easy reach of me, or you might be reading about me in the paper for having beat the crap out of him...

Now he tells you that an orchiectomy is the best way to go -- That doctor sure has lots of balls! (pun intended) I'll hold him down, and you can hit him (or kick him or whatever...).

[JesusA (imported)]

It sounds to me as if the urologist was mostly upset over potential loss of income. You won't be needing him nearly as much now.

This is probably a good time to remind readers of this thread that

1) Neutersol produces irreversible sterility by damaging the internal structure of the testicles,

2) Neutersol only REDUCES, but does not stop the production of testosterone, and

3) Neutersol leaves the external structure of the testicles intact

– they do NOT disappear.

Depending on how much T you want in your system, you may have no need for HRT. (Again, a loss for your urologist.) You will definitely be on the low side, but probably with enough to ward off hot flashes and osteoporosis. (You will still need to get it checked in a few months and decide if you want more.) You will still look intact in the showers at your local gym. For your particular (and rare) situation, you seem to have found an excellent solution.

Keep us posted as you find out how well this works for you.

[DonFL (imported)]

yep, jesus, you are correct on all points.

I have learned to live with low T, i seem to do better without it. The time I've spent since last year with full function has been hell, i was on anti-androgen treatment for years to ward off hormone induced bi-polar. I'm going to wait to come off of them again till September, just to make sure the physical structure is 100% stable before testosterone induced growth hits. also, as crappy and screwed up as i feel when I'm hit with my full dose of T, I really don't want to feel it again for a while...

Now here is a possible problem. Since the growth was theorized as the source of my excess T, now its gone, AND the fact I nailed both of my testes with neutersol, I might end up producing a significantly lower amount of T than I used to. I will find out later this year when i stop antiandrogens, i guess.

a few more notes

Last Monday and tues, i felt a rapid reduction of energy, I slept 16 hours a day for the 1st 3 days this week. This may be because I'm on anti-androgen and the death of many of my Leydig cells in my testes lowering my T too rapidly, I definitely wasn't on this course of meds long enough to completely lower my T to castrate levels.. This stopped Thursday. I had blood tests done today and Monday ill find out what my metabolic/hormone panel is.

[guy26 (imported)]

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to ward off hormone induced bi-polar.

I am very curious. What do you mean by that exactly?? I have been diagnosed bipolar, but really my main symptom has to do with massive increases in sex drive that last for 4-6 weeks and tends to happen a few times a year. At this point in my life, I'm just dealing with it when it happens. Understanding why it happens is better than nothing. I'm not on anything.

[DonFL (imported)]

for me its a rather complex issue. It is best explained in my introduction.

http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=11419

Yes, i have similar symptoms, and I also have extreme rage when unregulated. Im a bit better now after long term anti-androgen therapy, my emotional state has stabilized even with elevated T in my system, but what drove me back to anti-androgens is i felt my emotional control slipping. Since i am a large and very strong guy, this is dangerous for the people around me and myself. Unregulated, my hormones are cyclonic, I can be sleeping 20 hours a day one week, then running manic the next week, normally on a 3 week cycle.

[kristoff]

for me its a rather complex issue. It is best explained in my introduction.

http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=11419

Yes, i have similar symptoms, and I also have extreme rage when unregulated. Im a bit better now after long term anti-androgen therapy, my emotional state has stabilized even with elevated T in my system, but what drove me back to anti-androgens is i felt my emotional control slipping. Since i am a large and very strong guy, this is dangerous for the people around me and myself. Unregulated, my hormones are cyclonic, I can be sleeping 20 hours a day one week, then running manic the next week, normally on a 3 week cycle.

How can you be certain that this is hormonally induced? What you describe is a deprivation approach - the absence of something does not necessarily prove the presence of something other, particularly with things such as this. You are gaining some of the benefits ascribed to castration/androgen-deprivation, but not necessarily a direct control of manic behavior. Quite frankly, in all my experience in dealing with bi-polar issues and patients, I have never heard of a hormonally induced manic episode. (Not only have I dealt with this extensively in past as a now recovering pshrink, I am also diagnosed bipolar, as well.) I am receptive to the notion of this, but I would like to understand it beyond an anecdotal approach. You seem highly cognizant of scientific approaches - teach me / show me, please.

[DonFL (imported)]

my psychiatrist had blood tests done to build a history. During my manic periods i was always extremely high, during my lows it was always very low. We had tests done over a period of 6 months, enough to build evidence. Sense i was on depot-provera, my tests started normalizing low after about 3 months and at the same time, I a more stable emotional self. The theory of hormone induced bi-polar is the best theory i have yet to get, and it makes sense. The cyclonic nature is caused by the bodies reaction to high T, just like a body builder who takes big doses of T, once the body is bathed in excess hormones the testes shutdown till its normalized again. Mine tend to take a while to start up again, and i wind up with low T for a while. The difference between high and low was as much as 1200ng/dl. The constant roller coaster is what hurts me the worst, I learned to live, and even enjoy, living with low T, so that is the state i prefer. Without the constant roller-coaster, i can control my emotions, I don't feel such a urge to be violent, and flatly, i can keep from going crazy....

In females hormone induced depression is well documented, but male hormonal depression is just starting to be documented, crap, "male menopause" is just starting to be researched... This is one place the fairer sex has better medical care, much more is known about their systems than ours..

My psychiatrist had just one other patient who had a similar experience, a HRT patient who got massive depot-testosterone from a doctor who didn't know what he was doing once a month. The constant cycles would send him though a loop too. His solution was to have smaller weekly injections. I met him and his experiences with the "cycle" were strikingly familiar, i just wish my problem was as easy to treat and as accepted by the medical community as his was...

Again, the diagnosis was a theory, a theory supported with tests, and a theory by a doctor with many years of experience. I also have had some pretty fucked up stuff happen to me when i was a preteen and teenager that I cut out of my intro, it was too personal & painful to spill over a public board, and that is a aggravating factor admittedly, but the hormones being out of whack is what seems to send me over the edge.

[DonFL (imported)]

News:

T test is very low, 41 ng/dl. I wasn't on the anti-androgens long enough to plunge it down to this level, so the treatment is deemable effictive IMHO.

The rats have been purchased by a local pet shop, who loves the idea of neutered rats, for 3x the amount i bought them for... lol...

[DonFL (imported)]

2 weeks..

involuntary erections gone, night time erections gone. I still get a erection when i think about it for a while. I haven't felt the need all week, i did it last night just to check function. It took about an hour to have release. I have received a couple of caverject pens just in case i want to have a erection for a long period of time, I'm in a situation that that might become desirable.. I am still interested in sex, but manual stimulation is becoming less and less of a attraction. I like sex primarily for the physical closeness, so that may be why. ive never had my T this low that i know of, and its having some psychological effects.

Im noticing people by how they present themselves more than their physical attributes, im noticing details in many of my coworkers faces ive never paid much attention to, that is the most noticeable change.

My long term memory is frightenly clear, short term seems to be suffering a bit. I can play back events from my childhood in crystal clarity in my mind, some i would rather not. Its very odd that I can recall early childhood events clearer than things that happened a few months ago...

My weight loss is a bit slower already, but ive still managed 2 pounds this week. I plan on stepping up cardio, and maintaining my upper body strength via weight training.

I stopped spirotone, i don't like its skin drying effects. I dont think it will change my T level much at this point, the depo-provera, the fincar, and the small dose of estrogen should do nicely. I have 1 more depo shot left in stock, I miss counted, I accidentally counted my empty boxes last time, so i will be discontinuing it sooner than September.