Found this news story on http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/09/hand.c ... index.html, and I think this could be the ultimate body modification, and just wanted to share...I cant imagine cutting off my hand...after all how would i play with my peepe then?

If that was not enough he had the capacity and was aware enough to put the hand in the microwave!!!! :-\

kimo

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Man sees 'mark,' cuts off hand

* Story Highlights

* Idaho man microwaves hand after cutting it off with circular saw

* He believed hand bore biblical "mark of the beast," sheriff's captain says

* Man uses tourniquet to keep from bleeding to death, captain says

* Unclear whether man, in his 20s, has history of mental illness

HAYDEN, Idaho (AP) -- A man who believed he bore the biblical "mark of the beast" used a circular saw to cut off one hand, then he cooked it in the microwave and called 911, authorities said.

The man, in his mid-20s, was calm when Kootenai County sheriff's deputies arrived Saturday. He was in protective custody in the mental health unit of Kootenai Medical Center.

"It had been somewhat cooked by the time the deputy arrived," sheriff's Capt. Ben Wolfinger said. "He put a tourniquet on his arm before, so he didn't bleed to death. That kind of mental illness is just sad."

It was not immediately clear whether the man has a history of mental illness. Hospital spokeswoman Lisa Johnson would not say whether an attempt was made to reattach the hand, citing patient confidentiality.

The Book of Revelation in the New Testament contains a passage in which an angel is quoted as saying: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink the wine of God's fury."

The book of Matthew also contains the passage: "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for you whole body to do into hell."

Wolfinger said he didn't know which hand was amputated.

Isn't that directly from the movie Idle Hands?

How can this be "sad" ? People doing things like this to give them selves relief is just what *isn't* sad. If this guy truly believed his hand offended him, then he has every right to cut it off. Good for him for being so brave as to follow through what he *knew* would relieve him of his 'sin'.

This guy will surely be doped up the rest of his life by doctors who think he's crazy. I doubt that. Looks how many perfectly sane people on this board alone that find their genitals to be offensive ? Are we crazy?

incuse (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:43 pm How can this be "sad" ? People doing things like this to give them selves relief is just what *isn't* sad. If this guy truly believed his hand offended him, then he has every right to cut it off. Good for him for being so brave as to follow through what he *knew* would relieve him of his 'sin'.

This guy will surely be doped up the rest of his life by doctors who think he's crazy. I doubt that. Looks how many perfectly sane people on this board alone that find their genitals to be offensive ? Are we crazy?

Uhhhh.... :-\

incuse (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:43 pm Looks how many perfectly sane people on this board alone that find their genitals to be offensive ? Are we crazy?

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I think useful appendages and genitals are really quite different categories. Someone who cuts off their own hand because they believe it's marked by a mythical being? Yeah, that sounds pretty wacked-out. Removing ones testicles because, primarily, the function they perform is unwanted -- that seems perfectly sane to me.

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incuse (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:43 pm by doctors who think he's crazy. I doubt that. Looks how many perfectly sane people on this board alone that find their genitals to be offensive ? Are we crazy?

I do NOT agree on your view of this sort of self amputation being anything at all like the sort of amputation that most of us desire (castration). There is a BIG difference, cutting one's hand off is just wrong. The hand can do good work or bad, and does as you will it to do (unless you have neurological problems). The testicles are different, very different, the testosterone they produce changes a man's personality and desires, and the desires can very well effect a man's will to do evil things with his hands and other parts of his body.

I have experienced a brief and wonderful time without testosterone, THAT was a clearly beneficial thing for me. I have also been injured and had my hand burned badly, and that experience was in NO way beneficial. I just cannot at all see the similarity.

As a final note, I have to offer an observation. Whitchever belief system you subscribe to, creationism, evolution, intelligent design, mother nature or whatever, you cannot deny that the conspicuious and vulnerable positioning of male genitals OUTSIDE the body, where they are readily removed, this seems almost a road map for castration of many. Additionally, I can clearly see some benefit to the removal, not for every male, but some. Removing a hand or any other part is NOT the same, there is NO benefit, and the removal is NOT so easy as it is for testicles.

Yoli here, full of cheer (=Kawfee and Cheese Danish)

Now he's going to have to get rid of all those "Clap On-Clap Off" thingies on his lamps.

Sad story, but not nearly so much as that of the father that threw his four children off a bridge a day or so ago or the idiot that killed his daughter because she dated a non-Muslim.

Take note...they are slowing taking over our country. Look at Hamtramck MI, Ann Arbor MI, and a number of American cities. There's only ONE cure.

Suddenly not so cheerful...

Yoli

I suppose I made a poor relationship between castration and wanting ones hand cut off.

Sorry about that.

Now, there are 6.6 billion folks on this planet. There have to be a handful of them that want their limbs removed and since it's so odd, the newspapers are going to bring it to the forefront of the paper. I wonder if that may have been what happened here.

I think that if someone either has the balls to follow through with their own amputation while in reasonable mind, then they shouldn't be thought of as being crazy. I mean, crazy in the sense, that doctors want him doped up all the time. We the people can think he's crazy all we want... I just dont want the guy to be punished for doing what he believed was right.

Now. I'd like to know the state of mind this guy was in whenever he cooked his own hand. If he wasnt high on drugs and had thought long and hard on how to do this, then I say Bravo! for following through with what he did.

I wouldn't do it or even think of it, but the system shouldn't punish those that have different mindsets from the norm.

The article did not make the front page of cnn.com has far as I know. I found a small mention of the article in a subsection about a man cutting his hand off, and being the pervert i am i had to look. I have not seen any mention of it on tv or any other news site.

Cutting ones hand off would not be easy to do in part because of all the bones in that area, so i would think he would have cut the muscles one by one...i think...it would be rather bloody even with a tourniquet...so to have blood coming out plus the pain he would have to be very dedicated to go through with it.

incuse (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:59 pm I suppose I made a poor relationship between castration and wanting ones hand cut off.

Sorry about that.

Now, there are 6.6 billion folks on this planet. There have to be a handful of them that want their limbs removed and since it's so odd, the newspapers are going to bring it to the forefront of the paper. I wonder if that may have been what happened here.

I think that if someone either has the balls to follow through with their own amputation while in reasonable mind, then they shouldn't be thought of as being crazy. I mean, crazy in the sense, that doctors want him doped up all the time. We the people can think he's crazy all we want... I just dont want the guy to be punished for doing what he believed was right.

Now. I'd like to know the state of mind this guy was in whenever he cooked his own hand. If he wasnt high on drugs and had thought long and hard on how to do this, then I say Bravo! for following through with what he did.

I wouldn't do it or even think of it, but the system shouldn't punish those that have different mindsets from the norm.

Now that I remember something, maybe I was the one who was wrong, while cutting off your hand is NOT like castration, the motivation just might be similar for both acts.

OK, as for the mindset of this person when he cut of his hand and cooked it.... this act is oddly enough NOT without a historical precedent. Although for seemingly different reasons, a very similar event occured a LONG time ago. A buddhist monk, (I think his name was "Bodee Dharma") wanting very much to demonstrate that he understood that the physical world meant NOTHING, hacked off his own arm. Someone who is a martial artist could probably tell it a lot better. But as I remember the story, the monk wanted to learn from a "master" who had long ago become a cave dwelling hermit, the master was sure that noone but himself could really understand the UNimportance of the physical world we live in. The monk Bodee Dharma wanted to study under this master, but the master would not waste his time with someone who he believed was just paying lip service to the ideals. So Bodee Dharma stood before the cynical master and promptly hacked off one arm, I guess some people are impressed with this sort of thing, (I am NOT impressed with it). There is to this day, a sect of Buddhism that the followers of will bow and hold ONE hand in front of them (instead of the usual two hands pressed together), they do this in memory of the one armed Bodee Dharma.

This current case, was also for religious or faith motivations, but the man cut off his hand because he thought the "mark of the beast" was on it. Interesting coicidence though, the oft quoted bible verse "if thyne eye offends thee, pluck it out... if thyne hand offends thee, cut it off..." seems to tell the SAME message of the Buddhist hermit master, that the afterlife is vastly more important than the present that we live in. In that part, I can really identify with the message of things OTHER than the "real world" that we live in being more important than what most people are caught up in.

I think that this particular amputation, cutting off a hand and cooking it, is clearly the act of someone who is not in his right mind. In most cases, I would just brush it off as clearly an insane act, and not at all similar with my (and many other men's) desire to be castrated, but then again... The motivation, the reason behind the act, may be similar. Eunuchs and wannabes are clearly more concerned with matters that seem to ellude most shallow minded men who are only interested in momentary gratification of their sexual urges. As I said before, this fellow cutting off his hand probably did it in a fit of insanity, but IF he did it for the other reasons, putting something ELSE, other than the present physical world we live in above his primitive feelings, there might be some significant similarities.