Short (you don't need to read long, you can help just by answering this):

I just started an herbal regiment (saw palmetto, black cohosh) with the goal of partial feminization: decreased body hair, female fat deposition, soft skin, etc. I'm only 4 days in and my breasts are already starting to "bud" and grow significantly. I like it in a kinky way but I don't want a full transition - just partial, without big conspicuous boobs.

If I continue taking herbs just to see how my breasts develop with no intention of keeping them, will I be able to reverse the growth--at least partially if not completely--and go back to a normal size if I stop taking them?

Long:

I'm gay. This I am sure of: since age 7 when I tested my sisters panties in secret, on into puberty when my lusts directed themselves to my male friends. I'm 22 now and as certain as ever in my sexuality. For various social and familial reasons (that I don't want this conversation to digress towards!) I keep it private. So, though I seek physical feminization, I only want to become more androgynous and femmy. Still a guy, no full transition, but a feminine guy, and in ways that are not so overt as would be with big boobs.

I've always had a girly fat profile. No matter how much I ate I never seemed to build up a classic guy's "gut," instead my butt, thighs, and breasts would take the load. My sister once remarked derisively that I had a "badonkadonk" with no idea of the private pleasure I took from it. I also developed male secondary sexual characteristics relatively slowly (was asked if I shaved my legs in high school), and I still can't grow facial hair outside of the goatee region. I have a hunch that the same hormonal balance that caused such femininity in my development is responsible for my homosexuality, but that's another discussion.

With those hormonal notes in mind it should not be seem unrealistic that I'm seeing breast development in only 4 days. I assure you they are real and not imagined: my nipples and areolae are protruding in the manner of budding pubescent girl's with a "mound upon a mound" look and are PAINFULLY sensitive. The whole breast region is also filling up, since I already had small breasts to begin with.

It's kinky, it's really exciting and arousing to see them grow. But I fear, since my mother and sister's breasts are so large, that what I'm seeing is the tip of the iceberg . I just don't want em that big.

My goal is only to become more androgynous.. To halt further body hair growth (the hair starting to grow on my chest scares me), to minimize current body hair, to DECREASE muscle tone and redistribute fat in a female manner. All this can be done without conspicuous attention, breast enlargement however cannot. I am also not worried about infertility or permanent shrinkage of my penis & nuts, since I have no use for them anyway.

The results I'm currently experience are from 4 days worth of (active ingredients) 320mg saw palmetto, 80-120mg black cohosh, and 140mg milk thistle. I specifically want maximum feminization and cessation of the havoc wrought by testosterone, but with marginal breast enlargement. What, herbally or hormonally, is the best way to achieve this precise goal?

hormonaly, see my chemical castration protocalls posting. herbs can give such irratic results..

DonFL (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:19 pm herbs can give such irratic results..

I'm discovering this the hard way

But is it safe to continue on this herbal path, with the option of reversing the changes in my breasts? That's the big question on my mind right now.

The other feminizing effects are wonderful - my orgasms are already remarkably different, among other subtle changes that I'm loving. I would like to continue, but without growing huge tits

bren_emen (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:25 pm I'm discovering this the hard way

But is it safe to continue on this herbal path, with the option of reversing the changes in my breasts?

Generally, herbs are a worthless pile of shit, and a waste of money. Otherwise, usually speaking, if you grow em you usually wont lose em.

kristoff wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:46 pm Generally, herbs are a worthless pile of shit, and a waste of money. Otherwise, usually speaking, if you grow em you usually wont lose em.

I don't want to start a holy war about their effectiveness, and perhaps generally they are without worth, but as I'm typing this I can feel my shirt rubbing against my sensitive, protruding areolae. So apparently they are doing something significant.

They're really that irreversible? I'm going to stop soon if that's the case, which will be too bad, cause the other effects are great

edit: in researching herbal feminzation on the internet I've found information to be very sparse, this very forum being one of the few places where people had discussed it. I suspect this thread will be found by other people researching the matter, and I already see a lot of unregistered guests reading it. To those people: I am glad to inform you that contrary to the occasional statements around the net that herbal hormone treatment is "totally worthless" and complete bunk, in fact, it is real, the results are real, and it DOES have a real affect. Whether it is worth the risk is a topic for a different discussion.

My experience is that herbal breast growth supplements are of no value when it comes to growing breasts. I take cyproterone acetate and estrofem and have experienced nice breast growth and still growing. Once there, breasts growth is mostly permanent, so you better want them. e-mail me direct with any specific questions.

smoothie36 (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:04 am Once there, breasts growth is mostly permanent, so you better want them. e-mail me direct with any specific questions.

alright then, I'm going to have to stop. Too bad, cause the other changes in my body are awesome. Thanks for the info, hopefully it'll help others with the same question.

The herbs seem to be working magic with me, but I think that's cause I already had a feminine hormone balance and small boobs to begin with. It's like the herbs are just helping my breasts "fill in the blank" that I already had. So my experience is probably outside of the norm.

Also, I noticed my balls shrunk considerably. Is this also permanent? (That would be a good thing.)

And could I continue taking saw palmetto alone, for its anti-androgen properties (minimize hair growth, etc.), without incurring further breast enlargement?

For the most part any breast growth you may get will be permanent. If you were to develope any growth it will not go away although they will lose their firmness and size slightly once you stop taking the herbs.

In general most people do not do well on herbs for breast growth. Many are just throwing money away, but for some it seems such as you, it can be productive. The problem is that herbs are not regulated by the FDA, so when you buy them from different sources you could be getting some that are high in content from one place and a bare minimum from another.

As far a shrinkage, it could just be a temporary thing. And as for the anti-androgen properties most here do not use herbs, so you might not find too much information. I might suggest doing a google search, perhaps you will find more on it. You can also use the search feature here to see if there is more info.