since finding this site i have started to learn more and more and yet even more about castration and being a eunuch...there seems to be 1 thing that bothers me.... and with understanding i hope everyone here can help me with the understanding or relaxation of this...... I right know have this feeling of being offended that some people would both classify me or call me transgender..... know please and understand i say this maybe out of ignorance but if i go forth with this will this remain or lessen over time ,,,,,, for i know that this will not make me anyless of a man.....

but i write this because i dont know and would like to know more before going forward......i have choosen to go with chemical castration that i am sure ( with my wifes full support and love)

i guess the next thing would be who do see dr. wise and how do you explain yourself because dang i dont want to be considered crazy...(yes a tad bit i may be but this i am sure dont make me more so)

because after telling my wife i already feel better..

One of the pushes that the EA and our resident Professors' study on is the valid realization that "male to eunuch" or MtE is a valid transgender category, and that there is more to it than MtF or FtM. In fact, why so few recognized genders, or trans'ing therefrom or thereto?

Personally, I would feel it's nothing to be ashamed about, even if outright 'accused' of it?

Several times, I've been told offhandedly - in something 'male related' ... "well, you don't count."

Now how the HELL do you take THAT one?!

so in essence are you saying that mte is a transgender even by chemical castration????????

if that is the case i guess my ignorance would be the true meaning of transgender(something for me to read more of).. or is it because i choose this not for medical reasoning in the medical sense .ie damage or cancer

I guess i have been smiled if the mighty p answers me LOL...

Personally in my book a transgender is someone that surgically wants to become the opposite sex. If I ever have my testicles removed I will still be a male and will go into the boys restroom, and they wont be removed so i can become a female!

Oh, and thoughts are....

2 + 2 = 5

Genderism has nothing whatever to do with plumbing, in my book. It has to do with what is between the ears. How does one view themselves? If you can conceive it, it can be a gender, in other words. M2E is a very valid transgender conception. I consider myself to be a male oriented eunuch, but I am not completely male. Transgender as a concept does not require polarity of view, it simply indicates a transformation from one gender concept to another.

Bubba26072 (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:26 pm so in essence are you saying that mte is a transgender even by chemical castration?

I would say yes, since chemical castration isn't something that most men look into on a regular basis.

The advantage to this is that it is reversible, whereas surgery is not.

It's also a good way to find out if you are truly transgender - logically, if things don't work out for you with this route and you find you can't tolerate it, then you are not. Much better than learning "the hard way."

Paolo wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:40 am I would say yes, since chemical castration isn't something that most men look into on a regular basis.

The advantage to this is that it is reversible, whereas surgery is not.

It's also a good way to find out if you are truly transgender - logically, if things don't work out for you with this route and you find you can't tolerate it, then you are not. Much better than learning "the hard way."

I consider myself to be male with femme tendencies to the point that I am experimenting with hormones for mild feminization. Have to admit though that thinking too deeply on what I am is frustrating and too complex to figure out so have decided to just go with what feels right for the moment.[/I]

I've got to say that when I started my current adventure with Androcur over 2 months ago I was having a little problem grasping the concept of male to eunuch as being a valid gender transition. It was a totally new idea to me.

A certain wise man on this site, who is very involved in his professional life with gender issues and studies..oh, what the hell, most of you will know I'm talking about Jesus ..told me there were two aspects to being transgendered for men. The first is not feeling male. The second is wanting to be female. Both of these do not need to be present. I do not feel male but haven't had a desire to be female. So, that places me in this eunuch gender.

I'm certain Jesus can explain this much better than I have.

I go to one of the top gender clinics in the world and they do not view gender as either male or female but as a continuum between these two extremes. Sexuality is viewed in the a similar way as a continuum between straight and gay.

It took me a while to go from my initial thought of "I'm dealing with gender issues" to the conclusion that I'm transgendered. This fits for me.

I agree with Kristoff. It's what you feel inside that determines your gender. Perhaps it's not so important, though, to put strict labels on where we place outselves.

Right now, it's fairly important to me to think of myself as being transgendered, male to eunuch. That's because I'm still working on what all this really means for my life. I'm certain the day will come, though, when this eunuch gender thing doesn't occupy much of my thinking at all. It's just a small part of who I am.

Unlike Kristoff, I may be more on the female side of eunuch. Time will tell.

thanks to all i guess i should probably say just in case i have not I AM MALE AND PROUD OF IT but I despise the out of control feelings i have towards women and what i could do or could not do with them so i would have to say even if i pursue becoming a eunich or just sticking it out with chemicals time will tell.....MAYBE WE HERE AT THIS SITE COULD COME UP WITH A GOOD BREIF MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY GLOSSARY OF WORDING... maybe not... but as i prgress with this both comfort with myself and comfort with this site or just a few of yas (southern for more than 1)i could beging to make a smooth transition with my own mental shortcomings.....until then i have another 200 miles to run....cya

Hey Bubba,

If you're male and proud of it then that you are indeed male. As Kristoff said, it how you view yourself that counts. I agree with you, I think it can be difficult here to adequately describe ourselves so that others get what we're saying.

I do think you need to speak with a physician. There are physicians who won't think you're crazy. It may or may not take a while to find the right one. There are a number of men on this site who have sought just what you are. To reduce their sex drives for several reasons, including feeling out of control feelings like you describe. I guess you might want to consider if what you really want is total elimination of your drive, though. From what I've read of other's postings with situations similar to yours, some have had great success in reducing their drive enough so they don't feel out of control. Some of them, at least, don't eliminate it entirely though but get to a state where they're much happier. They no longer feel out of control. Maybe that's what you're really looking for.