erythropoietin - EPO

[erikboy (imported)]

Hi!

I am not a doctor, but perhaps somebody could comment this.

Eunuchs suffer from stamina, strenght, energy and muscle mass loss.

There is a hormone called erythropoietin or EPO, which is well known and forbidden doping substance.

It generally increases the red blood cell production and it is believed that general tissue oxygenation regulates amount of EPO produced in the body.

The rising erythropoietin levels increase both skeletal muscle mass and also increase hemoglobin production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin

It is less known that testosterone levels affect EPO production as well. A hemoglobin level of 12.0 would be normal for prepubertal boy while 18.0 or more is normal for adult.

thus using EPO on eunuchs could help to fight fatigue, energy and muscle loss.

[kristoff]

Hi!

I am not a doctor, but perhaps somebody could comment this.

Eunuchs suffer from stamina, strenght, energy and muscle mass loss.

There is a hormone called erythropoietin or EPO, which is well known and forbidden doping substance.

It generally increases the red blood cell production and it is believed that general tissue oxygenation regulates amount of EPO produced in the body.

The rising erythropoietin levels increase both skeletal muscle mass and also increase hemoglobin production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin

It is less known that testosterone levels affect EPO production as well. A hemoglobin level of 12.0 would be normal for prepubertal boy while 18.0 or more is normal for adult.

thus using EPO on eunuchs could help to fight fatigue, energy and muscle loss.

Very interesting question! Please, well informed chemists, an answer?!

[gandalf (imported)]

I would be very interested in this also. I plan to ask my dr. (urologist) about it. Hope he knows something. That will be in Jan.

[Danya (imported)]

I don't have the time to do the research to comment intelligently on this. And I'm not a physcian. A first question I'd want to have answered is, do eunuchs have a lower red blood cell count than intact males? If not and a eunuch starts using EPO, I'd think there would be a very real potential for dangerous blood thickening.

[jemagirl (imported)]

I would be very cautious about self medicating with this product. More red blood cells also means thicker blood, which in turn raises your chance of blood clots. OTOH I think talking about this medicine with your doctor would be a very good idea.

I know about the problem with thick blood because I have it. Fortunately I haven't had any problems with blood clots... Whew! Well thank goodness for that Any way I wouldn't even know about my blood being thick except it showed up on some test. So the thing is any one might have thick blood like me and not even know it, and taking a drug like this could really be contraindicated, especially if you have other risk factors like taking estrogen for HRT, smoking and even some sleep disorders. So please be careful.

[kristoff]

I know about the problem with thick blood because I have it. Fortunately I haven't had any problems with blood clots... Whew! Well thank goodness for that Any way I wouldn't even know about my blood being thick except it showed up on some test. So the thing is any one might have thick blood like me and not even know it, and taking a drug like this could really be contraindicated, especially if you have other risk factors like taking estrogen for HRT, smoking and even some sleep disorders. So please be careful.

There is one good treatment for thick blood that I know works well. Daily communion, utilizing Canadian Communion Wine - er Whisky. Works wonders for thinning the blood, you feel good, and can get really close to God!

[kietboy (imported)]

my HRT is Delatestryl, in some men (like me) it has an 'EPO'-like effect... last time i saw my endocrinologist my red cell was higher than normal we had to adjust the dose down and he told me that if it didn't work i should consider changing therapy or giving blood once in a while to lower the count. a too high level can cause strokes that's why he was so worried about it... anyway with the dose down all his back to normal . The strange thing about it was i never saw any good effect on the treadmills when it was high....

[nonuts (imported)]

Depo Testosterone increases hemoglobin and red blood cell counts in all males. The degree to which has a lot to do with age, health, bone marrow activity (age again), exercise, diet, vitamins, (stay away from all IRON supplements). Higher RBC counts increase the RISK of blood clots. That is not the same as saying you will get them. It means people with blood clots frequently also had high RBC counts, but there were probably other issues as well. Alcohol does thin blood, so does low dose aspirin therapy. Hemoglobin is actually more important to watch, as it is a more direct indicator of the clotting factor.

Your energy levels won't dramatically increase with higher RBC counts, but you should notice greater endurance at the physical limits (when you really push yourself). Blood letting is the most therapeutic way to control this condition. Some people have this condition without being on any meds, the condition is called: polycythemia. Some recent research has even looked at using leaches again to control this condition.

[Testman (imported)]

Many people maintain an elevated RBC as a result of using testosterone and other steroids. If you are young, I would not worry too much, as a stroke from it is virtually unheard of. But just to be safe, I would still get the count down a bit. Drinking some pickle juice every now and then worked for me. Also, an aspirin here and there also works. Or you can give some blood. The last thing I would do is lower the dose. (: Plus, it's not as dose related as it may seem. There are some who can use thousands of mg per week and stay in the normal RBC range. Then others can take very low doses and go off the charts.

BTW, other forms of testosterone do not raise RBC as much as the Enanthate you are using. Plus, Enanthate really sucks as HRT. Have you ever experimented with other forms of testosterone yet? I have used Enanthate before, and even at VERY high doses, the "feeling" of testosterone was very minimum. Men I know, who have had testicular cancer, and have used everything there is for HRT, all of them report Enanthate to be the lousiest choice. But so many doctors don't know any better. I even heard of one doctor who put a man on Halotestin for HRT. Or the doctor who thinks it only takes one shot a month of Cypionate. LOL

[Testman (imported)]

Also keep in mind, that some of these hormones actually make the blood "slicker" as well, decreasing the chance of stroke. Here is something weird: look at estrogen. It does not increase RBC very much, as far as I know of, yet has caused many strokes in women over the years, and yes, some transsexuals as well using it.