My balls have shut down because I've been taking testosterone for over 6 months. They no longer make testosterone or sperm because the LH and FSH production has been shut down. So, my balls are shrinking and will continue to shrink. My scrotum pulls up very, very tight for about 6 hours a day, every day without fail. During that time, my balls and sac shrink a little every day. Over time, they'll shrink to pea-sized, and after that, to raisin-sized, and after that, they'll probably disappear completely. It'll take a while, but is very enjoyable. In the meantime, I'm medically "eunuchoid" which means the testicles are present, but they don't function like testicles.

You guys who don't want to do surgery might try this.

tightsac (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:46 am My balls have shut down because I've been taking testosterone for over 6 months. They no longer make testosterone or sperm because the LH and FSH production has been shut down. So, my balls are shrinking and will continue to shrink. My scrotum pulls up very, very tight for about 6 hours a day, every day without fail. During that time, my balls and sac shrink a little every day. Over time, they'll shrink to pea-sized, and after that, to raisin-sized, and after that, they'll probably disappear completely. It'll take a while, but is very enjoyable. In the meantime, I'm medically "eunuchoid" which means the testicles are present, but they don't function like testicles.

You guys who don't want to do surgery might try this.

And can you enlighten readers regarding the bodies reaction when / if you later terminate supplemental hormones (T)? Do the testicles resume function, restore original size, etc?

kristoff wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:14 am And can you enlighten readers regarding the bodies reaction when / if you later terminate supplemental hormones (T)? Do the testicles resume function, restore original size, etc?

I'd be happy to. If I later quit cold turkey, most likely I'll experience what women go through during menopause, and what many men go through after sudden surgical castration - hot flashes, mood swings, depression, and a variety of other physical symptoms that are individual, but to give one example, you might experience tinnitus (noise in the ears).

As for whether the testicles will resume normal size and function, the brief and simple answer is, no, they won't. They may bounce back to some extent (depending on how long you've been on testosterone), but they'll never regain their former ability to produce testosterone and sperm.

They'll only be able to do that with regular injections of HCG. You can do web searches to verify what I'm saying is true.

As for me, I want them to permanently atrophy. That's why I'm on the Eunuch Archive board.

If you want them to start functioning again, start taking "Tribulus Terrestris" on get a shot of "HCG" (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin). Most body-builders who use steroids eventually plump up their testicles and restart their functioning with HCG, but Tribulus works too. http://hardcorebodybuilding.net/smf/ind ... opic=134.0

The main focus with HCG is to restore the normal ability of the testes to respond to endogenous luteinizing hormone. After a long period of inactivity, this ability may have been seriously reduced. In such a state testosterone levels may not reach a normal point, even though the release of endogenous LH has been resumed. Many who have suffered severe testicular shrinkage may be able to relate, as it is often some time before normal testicle size and feelings of virility are restored if ancillary drugs had not been used. The excessive stimulation brought forth by administration of HCG can likewise cause the testicles to rapidly return to their normal size and level of activity. We are not simply looking for it to fix the problem however, as the resulting high testosterone level can itself trigger negative feedback inhibition at the hypothalamus. Estrogen production is also heightened with the use of HCG, due to its ability to increase aromatase activity in the Leydig's cells. This is due to the main action of HCG, namely the increase of cycIicAMP (a secondary messenger that regulates cellular activity). When stimulated by HCG, the ability of the testes to aromatize androgens could potentially be heightened several times greater than normal. This also may inhibit testosterone production, so we therefore use HCG only as a quick shock to the testes.

The usual protocol is to inject 1500-3000 I.U. every 4th or 5th day, for a duration usually no longer than 2 or 3 weeks. If used for too long or at too high a dose, the drug may actually function to desensitize the Leydig's cells to luteinizing hormone, further hindering a return to homeostasis. Timing the initial dose is also very crucial. If your were coming off a cycle of Sustanon for example, testosterone levels in your blood will likely stay elevated for at least 3 to 4 weeks after your last injection. Taking HCG on the day of your last shot would therefore be useless. Instead one would want to calculate the last week in which androgen levels are likely to be above normal, and begin ancillary drug therapy at this point. In this case HCG would be started around the third or fourth week. Likewise, after ending a cycle of Dianabol (an oral) your blood levels will be sub normal after the third day. Here you may want to begin HCG therapy a few days before your last intake of tablets, giving it a few days to take effect. One would also want to give some thought to the level of suppression that the cycle might have brought about. After an 8 week cycle of Equipoise for example, 1500-2500 I.U. would likely be a sufficient initial dosage. The lower amount of hormonal suppression one associates with this drug would probably not require much more. On the other hand, 750-1000mg of Sustanon per week might incline the user to inject a much larger HCG dose, perhaps as much as 5000 I.U. for the opening application. It may thereafter also be a good idea to reduce the dosage on subsequent shots, so as to step down the intake of HCG during the two or three weeks of intake.

I have no reason to doubt what Hash says. But, to follow it requires regular injections, which is highly problematical and probably expensive.

That's why I prefer my route. Testosterone only (with DHEA and pregnenolone taken orally and easily obtained).

If you take the bodybuilder's route, it's complex and fraught with its own complications.

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tightsac (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:45 am As for whether the testicles will resume normal size and function, the brief and simple answer is, no, they won't.

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Mine always came back with a vengeance after severe atrophy. And seemed to operate stronger than ever!

twaddler (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:02 am Mine always came back with a vengeance after severe atrophy. And seemed to operate stronger than ever!

Well, people are individual and I suppose that's possible, but it wouldn't be the usual case. May I ask your age and what it was you used to make them atrophy?

Well, that Eunuchoid theory is a very interesting concept. I am chem castrated with low T (82). My urologist does not know and wants to have me take T shots. I could stop my meds and take T and see if it does the shrivel thing for me. Is there some science to the concept because many guys have taken T and had not heard of the shrivel after effect before. Any light on this subject would help me to decide a course of action.

An interesting concept if it truly works.

smoothie36 (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:35 pm Well, that Eunuchoid theory is a very interesting concept. I am chem castrated with low T (82). My urologist does not know and wants to have me take T shots. I could stop my meds and take T and see if it does the shrivel thing for me. Is there some science to the concept because many guys have taken T and had not heard of the shrivel after effect before. Any light on this subject would help me to decide a course of action.

dont forget he will monitor your T levels with injections....