I'm back. I recovered well during the last months, muscles and weight are back and also my sex drive (full force) and it drives me crazy. My left nipple that had developed after the last Androcur regimen is still twice the size of the right one but this will remain unchanged I think.

I started a new regimen with Androcur today. Some of you might say: This guy must be nuts after that experience! But I don't know what is worse: Suffering from side effects or this fu.... sex drive.

My new understanding (or call it lessons learned) is that I have to start slowly and be patient. This time I start with 50 mg per day (2x25mg) and I will see what this dosage will do for me. I'll try to go through it for a longer period of time to give the oranism the chance to get used to the lower T-levels. I read that most of the side effects become better after 1-2 months (like low energy).

I will keep you informed.

Best wishes to you all!

A.

I went back to find your previous posts and experiences with Androcur. I think starting out slow is a good plan. I started at 25mg 1x a day and had good effects right away. Over the course of 4 months, I've upped the dosage to 75mg on odd numbered days and 50mg on even numbered days. Odd combination, but it seems to have struck a balance for me... 75mg a day proved to be too much. I hope your experience is much better this time around!

My first post, oh well.

I just thought I might be able to contribute something as I have been doing a bit of research as I am sure you all have as well. So just tell me to pull my head in if I am repeating what you guys already know.

I read the data sheet for on the kiwi web site the link is here http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/datash ... onetab.htm and it does go into some detail about how the drug works, what its half life is in your body and this makes sense to much of what you have experienced.

The conclusion I have drawn and correct me anyone if you do not agree is that you should take a higher dose of Androcur until such time as you reach where you want to be AND THEN BACK RIGHT OFF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE to a maintenance dose, not so much because of the physical aspects but because you will overshoot where you want to be.

The reason for this is that the drug ACCUMULATES in your system because takes much longer than 24 hours for your body to be rid of it. So for example if you are able to REACH a level of comfort taking say 50MG per day then if you KEEP taking 50 per day after you reach it then you will overshoot the mark and possibly end up with problems. Far better to REACH where you want to be then back off and if you find your libido returning to much then tweak it up again. But the key is to remember that it does accumulate and that if you find by increasing your dose you reach a comfort zone then remember to back it off when you reach your comfort zone!! This kind of gells with what Gadzoocs has experienced.

I think a maintenance does is replacing the Androcur that has gone from your system, and if i read the data sheet right that is about 1/2-1/3 the original dose, of course if you take the maintenance dose that is right for you then eventually you will get there.....

But really I am a virgin talking to you guys who have had many more months experience than I do...as yet in any case.

So a bit about me

Recently started on Androcur myself and both your experiences have been valuable in deciding how I start up. My wife does have a much lower libido than me and my motivations are similar to yours> I am simply sick of being frustrated, and I am probably considered hypersexual regularly can masturbate over 7 times a day. Wife and I have experimented in chastity play and I wear a device from time to time, it started out as protection (sort of) for my wife but as well as that a demonstrable way of saying I shall not try and put my dick in you unless you say I can. Thats a quick intro...but my objective is to reduce my libido not to eliminate it because I feel that my libido is the dynamo that drives me but i think the dynamo is going to throw a tire if I don't slow it down a bit. I would like to dial it back to approximate my wifes (or still a shade higher). I have chosen not to tell her about the drug but I am wearing presently and promised her I will not ask or act frustrated this time and that she is to only let me free if SHE wants to. If I told her about the drug then she would probably feel guilty, she did at first with the cage play but now she kind of likes it.

What I plan to do is take 100mg per day until basically my morning erections stop, and believe me when your wearing a cock cage this is easy to monitor..lol then I will back it up to 2x 25 per day and see how I go.

Right now however, though I know its only been 5 days is nothing, although I think I am a bit headachy is all and I have had some funny muscle feelings, but we did have sex no problems. My appreciation of the female body has not declined at all. I put the cage on last night after making the before mentioned promise and I believe I slept much longer before the morning woody woke me (and it did not hurt as much as usual). I think I might try taking the 50mg with a small snack just as I go to bed to see if that eliminates it given it is most potent 4 hours after consumption. I read somewhere that testosterone is high in the morning and that is the cause of the morning wood?

Sorry if this post is so long, and I know I am slightly mad but hopefully I can back off before I see any of the dark effects you guys have seen.

I'm self medicating and all that I know about androcur is what I've learned from being here and what I've read on Wikipedia. Your remarks have helped fill in some gaps in my knowledge so I'm thankful for that. The fact that the medication accumlates in my body helps explain why 75mg was over the top for me.

I started a blog on my "journey" with this. I'm up to about 4 and a half months now. I wanted to write a blog to help me chronical my experiences and to help other married men in sexless marraiges know that they are not alone. The isolation that I feel is most often the worst part of all of this.

I, too, have not told my wife. The fact that she doesn't seem to notice and has not said anything to me about why I don't attempt sex any more vindicates that decision. She, like your wife, would end up feeling guilt if I told her.

If you have any interest in the blog, it is at http://www.myspace.com/sexlessmarraige

Hi, thanks for your replies. Now is one week of my new regimen. Ejaculate starts to get a little bit clearer, but no effects regarding libido or side effects. Same experience as last time. Last time the impact (effects and side effects) came after three weeks with one strike over night.

I intend to maintain my dosage (50mg) as long as a satisfactory state of libido is reached, hopefully within the next 2-3 weeks. If side effects (depressions and bad sleep) occur I will quit at once. Hopefully I am strong enough this time. Last time I was struck so badly that I stopped all medication within 10 days. Recovery took 2 months. The gyno started after the regimen and is still visible.

My wife does not know this time. Last time she did and she said a lot of times that she is not willing to undergo these days with me once again. She is willing and eager to keep me satisfied but she only feels the urge if I ask. That's so bad. I would give anything if I could get rid of sex drive without side effects and without harming my organism.

I hate to be Mr "Negative" all the time but have you considered the possibility that this is just not going to work? In my experience its not like you can "dim down" things. Its much more like a light switch. And once the switch is thrown you not only loose sex drive but you get the other symptoms of Hypogonadism that just are not much fun.

Ok, all that said there are people who post here who say it works for them. I accept that as men we are different and some can function a hell of a lot better then others with low testosterone.

You are a wise man MrT. From what I've read here, it seems that depo provera is better at reducing libido wher androcur is more potent and can easily "eliminate" drive, in a addition to the side efects caused by total depletion of T. I'm very happy with the DP and recommend it for those wanting to "dial down" their drive. The added benefit is no daily pills.

Hi Again,

Just want to toss up a theory here but u will have to wade through some crap first. After just more than a week now my morning woodys have completely gone (which is a godsend for a cage wearer) but my libido and desire for sex remains pretty much unchanged. I don't know if I can perform because my wife has not let me out and she sure hid the keys well this time!!!

Clearly though because of my caged cock T Barometer my hormone levels have changed considerably over the past week + as there really is no sign of erection during the night, whereas normally erection would wake me as many as 5 times during the night.

What I will say as well is normally by now I would be starting to climb the walls because I would feel like its time for the wife to let me out for some fun, while intellectually I feel this need, I don't feel that really angry DRIVE frustrated feeling, yet my desire still seems intact. This morning I was giving my wife a nice naked back massage and I felt some twinges down there but nothing sever, it was just nice....

So now I am backing off now to 25 twice per day.

The theory I wanted to put forth is that Desire or libido LAGS the hormone level perhaps by WEEKS. It takes much longer for your mind to release its HABIT to want sex and have a libido than it does for the Androcur to reduce the hormone level in your body. Now I have succeeded in reducing my hormone level to a satisfactory level I will give it a few weeks to wait for my mind to catch up. I do not want to loose my libido only reduce it...I know this is tricky and I may end up with less libido or ability to perform than I intend but I am willing to take that risk, I might need to further reduce to just 25 per day.

This may help explain why you ended up crashing last time, you kept taking full on chemicals waiting for a INTELLECTUAL change but what happened is you seriously overshot the mark and ended up with no T, or sufficiently deficient to cause you grevious bodily harm.

Everyone says don't rush it, I like to try and explain why its important not to rush it even if its so that I don't rush it also...

I think the reason why people have such widely differing results is not so much because of the drugs ability to reduce hormone level its more a case of how long it takes peoples minds to get used to the new hormone levels and build those new neural pathways as a result. It takes much longer to change how you think. The calm comes about when everything is balance, your new hormone level matches the way you are thinking....AND you are happy with the new balance.

A lot of this depends on having a clear target to start with. Do you want NO libido and no sexual function or do u want to just reduce it and find a nice balance somewhere above no libido.

I do think it is important to remember though that a mans body is not meant to have NO T, and even with surgical castrated people there are other sources of T produced in the body...so eliminating T is probably not the healthiest objective.

per usual sorry for the rambling post

I don't think your post was rambling or too long. I guess what you say I can echo in parts. What is "normal" to a man is what he is "used" to. When I was low in the hormone department I really didn't think there was anything wrong with me. I even "thought" we had a sex life although it was once a month or less and then only when I was pushed into it.

So, if the goal of both people is that? yes, I think it works but I also had the issues of depression symptoms *Not from not getting enough sex. Anxiety, mood swings like a male form of PMS. I was not "unhappy" because I didn't see it as abnormal. To my wife? I was a SOB. I had to have a third party point out to me (my doctor) how much of a mess I was. These are things I think anyone who tries this must keep an eye on or better yet have another person report on.

This is one reason why I think its unfair to go on Anti Androgens without telling a spouse. They may assume many things. Your just getting old, your depressed etc. And because of their marriage vows (or whatever) stick in a relationship that makes them unhappy. And women are great at suffering in silence.

Anyway thanks for letting me say that. I know its probably not popular but I say it because I think its often true.

mrt (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:07 am This is one reason why I think its unfair to go on Anti Androgens without telling a spouse. They may assume many things. Your just getting old, your depressed etc. And because of their marriage vows (or whatever) stick in a relationship that makes them unhappy. And women are great at suffering in silence.

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