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I just found this on the web. It’s about time. You can see it at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294633,00.html

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University of Vermont Adds “Gender-Neutral” Bathrooms

Sunday, August 26, 2007

BURLINGTON, Vt. — The University of Vermont's big new student center doesn't just have women's bathrooms and men's bathrooms.

It also has gender-neutral bathrooms, a feature added to accommodate transgendered people, as well as those with some disabilities. The four single bathrooms in the new Dudley H. Davis Center — each with a toilet, sink, shower and lockable door — cost about $2,500 a piece to build. Their wall signs identify each as "gender neutral restroom."

"It's about inclusivity and accessibility and the importance of meeting all people's needs, not just a few," said Annie Stevens, assistant vice president for student and campus life.

UVM isn't the only school trying to make its accommodations more accommodating.

At least 17 colleges and universities have included gender-neutral bathrooms in their new construction or in retrofitting residence halls, said Stephanie Gordon, director of educational programs at the National Association of Student Personnel Administrators.

"A multi-use bathroom doesn't necessarily feel safe to transgendered students, because they have concerns about how their gender would be read by others," said Dot Brauer, director of the school's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Questioning and Ally Services.

A woman who identifies as a man, for example, may not feel welcome in a women's rest room. Transgendered people have been the target of verbal and physical abuse in rest rooms and been arrested, or suspected of lewd conduct, according to Mara Keisling, executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality.

"There are students whose safety and comfort is comprised," Brauer said.

Kelly, a 19-year-old transgendered UVM student who did want her last name published, said she's been made to feel "very uncomfortable" in rest rooms.

"I think that they're a really important thing to have," she said of the new facilities. "Just because there can be tense situations in gendered bathrooms, especially for trans-identified people, you need a space to use the rest room and feel safe and comfortable."

In 2003, UVM started retrofitting male and female restrooms into unisex bathrooms in classroom and administrative buildings by changing the signs, at $100 each.

Not everyone sees the need.

"I always have concerns when institutions or the government legitimizes behaviors or practices that could be discovered in the future to be harmful to those individuals," said Stephen Cable, founder of Vermont Renewal, a Rutland group dedicated to promoting traditional moral values.

The group also opposes a new law protecting transgendered people in Vermont from discrimination.

UVM has taken other steps to accommodate transgendered students. It allows students to change their first names on their campus identification cards and offers several gender-neutral residential suites.

But Brauer said the school can do more. She wants to see more gender-neutral bathrooms in the library, and private showers in the gym.

"If we can do something, however small, that takes a leap that is going to make life better for members of our community who otherwise would be vulnerable. UVM really shows a willingness to that," said Brauer.
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Gender-neutral washrooms are indeed progress in our social evolution.

Although it would apply only in the individual bathroom situation, there is no reason at all to designate gender. Except that some have to sit to pee or prefer to do so, all of us do the same thing in washrooms and use the same appliances. No one of any gender need feel shy about sitting when peeing.
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When I was living in the Residences at my former university, all of the bathrooms were coed. The showers were in individual stalls with doors, of course -- a coed shower room is a little more than even a progressive university can handle at this point.

Of course, anyone who's been to a concert, or to a bar on a busy night, knows that when the lineup at the women's bathroom gets too long, women almost instantaneously lose any discomfort they had with the idea of sharing a public bathroom with men. Funny how that works...
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JeffEunuch (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:31 am Gender-neutral washrooms are indeed progress in our social evolution.

Although it would apply only in the individual bathroom situation, there is no reason at all to designate gender. Except that some have to sit to pee or prefer to do so, all of us do the same thing in washrooms and use the same appliances. No one of any gender need feel shy about sitting when peeing
(note - it should be encouraged).

I totaly agree with you. Multi user coed public restrooms should be the norm. All that is required would be individual stalls with adequate walls for privacy. If urinals are included they should also be enclosed in private stalls however there would be no need for them. This would also apply to public showers. There is absolutely no need for gender segregation.

Such facilities would result in a large cost saving by eliminating duplication. It would also eliminate the bias which allows women to use the men's restroom but prevents men from using the women's restroon.
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markdf (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:26 pm When I was living in the Residences at my former university, all of the bathrooms were coed. The showers were in individual stalls with doors, of course -- a coed shower room is a little more than even a progressive university can handle at this point.

Of course, anyone who's been to a concert, or to a bar on a busy night, knows that when the lineup at the women's bathroom gets too long, women almost instantaneously lose any discomfort they had with the idea of sharing a public bathroom with men. Funny how that works...

I use the Vagina-Persons restrooms all the time if the Penis-Persons room is occupied and I can't wait.... What they gonna do, throw me in jail?
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Just dress up as the red nun and charge right on in!
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I may use that idea except for maybe the red part.
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I think that having bathrooms open to all are a great idea. I think allot of you know that i use male and female rest rooms, depending on that days outlook and dress. in any case i get all sorts of looks and comments in the mens room, so much so that in some cases i do fear for my safety. in the womans room i may get a glance or two but women tend to be much more comfortable around me that men, in the rest room that is.

I have neve been on a real collage campus before but i am sure uts just as judgmental as highschool if not more so due to the fact that people are there to get a secondary education and for some reason tend to think at that point that they have experienced the world and know all there is to know.

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homptydumpty (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:09 am I think that having bathrooms open to all are a great idea. I think allot of you know that i use male and female rest rooms, depending on that days outlook and dress. in any case i get all sorts of looks and comments in the mens room, so much so that in some cases i do fear for my safety. in the womans room i may get a glance or two but women tend to be much more comfortable around me that men, in the rest room that is.

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You must look quite feminine even when dressed as a male for the men to give you that much of a hassle when using the restroom. I think that if you looked even slightly masculine the women would give you a real hassle.

My karma gave you a second star - best wishes to you! Tried to private message you but your message box is full.
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Gender neutral bathrooms in Vermont is a small step in the right direction, but the REAL measure of success in social evolution in the U.S. will be reached when we have gender neutral bathrooms in Georgia. I for one, am not holding my breath for that to happen.
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