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Dog Fighting...

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:18 pm
by A-1 (imported)
Vi and I rescued two Pit-Bull mixed puppies and brought them home. One looks like its pit-bull mother and the other looks like what must have been a Black Labrador father.

They now reside with us, a boxer-mix, a schnauzer and a dachsund-beagle mix.

No, we are not TOTALLY crazy, just LOOK (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19836601/site/newsweek/) at what is happening to these poor dogs. IT is as bad as the Grey Hounds as an abused breed.

They are both good dogs, a little hard to house-break, but nevertheless good dogs.

Comments?

Re: Dog Fighting...

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:44 pm
by sag111 (imported)
Thats to bad I hate to see thies dogs treated like this

Re: Dog Fighting...

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:54 pm
by StefanIsMe (imported)
It's both worst, and better than Greyhounds....

I bought a pit bull about 10 years ago from a guy who lived on the same mile road as I did, when I was in the country. He was a breeder and dog-fighter. He was hardly shy about talking about it, even though its (thankfully) very illegal here. I had to do business with him (driveway clearing, etc) and when he had a litter and mentioned he 'didn't want any of them' as they had been bred from a dog that had since 'curred out' (turned its back during a roll (fight)). Anyway, I had to take one of them.

Fantastic, extremely trustworthy dog (if a bit drooly if could see you eating). I got to raise him from a pup, and thus have proof that these dogs are as polite/safe as any other strong dog, when raised right. One thing, though; he could never be around another male dog. He started going after any male dog as soon as he was an adult, and neutering did not slow it down enough to trust him in THAT situation. Other than that one factor, I'd trust a pit-bull as much as a cat, any day.

Note, I only know the lingo/etc because the guy loved to talk about his dogs. I have no stomach for the 'sport' myself.

Re: Dog Fighting...

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:07 am
by Blaise (imported)
There you go--picking on Louisiana! I suspect that down here dog fighting is as pervasive as cock fighting is--and, yes, it is awful.

Re: Dog Fighting...

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:49 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
http://news.bostonherald.com/national/s ... id=1011982

If you want to know just how bad this is go to the link above.

Dog fighting is a crime in every state,

River

Re: Dog Fighting...

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:05 am
by Zoroaster (imported)
People who put animals in harm's way for no better reason than sport, and in particularly torture them to the point where they'll fight each other to the death, should be wrapped up in liver than thrown to their own dogs.

Or, at the very least, get stuck to a glory hole with a stall full of hungry ones next door...were I more into revenge stories, I wouldn't be tough to write that one, heh. I watched that Animal Cops show a few times on Animal Planet but it always made me way too angry when I saw the suffering inflicted by ignorant, callous, and/or malicious asses.

As for pits: they are great dogs so long as they are trained properly from a young age. They have two things against them: their jaws lock, and they do have a genetic predisposition toward uncontrollable rages. The rage problem can be trained out of them but only as a puppy; otherwise the neural stuff all sets into place and can't change any further, but not all pits develop this problem.

If treated right and trained properly, like any other dog, they can be totally sweet and lovable dogs...like any other dog. Yet another reason those breed-specific laws are ignorant mumbo-jumbo.

Re: Dog Fighting...

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:08 am
by Beau Geste (imported)
Since dog fighting has apparently become popular in some quarters, and will probably be difficult to stamp out (according to Wikipedia, it was common in England centuries ago, and is a "sport" in a number of countries), is it possible that the dogs could be fitted with some type of headgear in fights to keep them from biting or being bitten? Presumably, then, a dog fight would simply be a matter of the dogs trying to physically dominate each other. Of course, it still wouldn't be a "good" sport--they would still be trained to have aggressive dispositions, and could still be injured in fights.

Like most people who have been around free-run dogs for a while, I have seen the effects of spontaneous fights between dogs, and I once saw two dogs in a violent fight--no idea what caused it. Very nasty. Some of the pics of dog fights which have been shown on television the last week, have been almost non-viewable.

Re: Dog Fighting...

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:21 pm
by StefanIsMe (imported)
Zoroaster (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:05 am People who put animals in harm's way for no better reason than sport, and in particularly torture them to the point where they'll fight each other to the death, should be wrapped up in liver than thrown to their own dogs.

Or, at the very least, get stuck to a glory hole with a stall full of hungry ones next door...were I more into revenge stories, I wouldn't be tough to write that one, heh. I watched that Animal Cops show a few times on Animal Planet but it always made me way too angry when I saw the suffering inflicted by ignorant, callous, and/or malicious asses.

As for pits: they are great dogs so long as they are trained properly from a young age. They have two things against them: their jaws lock, and they do have a genetic predisposition toward uncontrollable rages. The rage problem can be trained out of them but only as a puppy; otherwise the neural stuff all sets into place and can't change any further, but not all pits develop this problem.

If treated right and trained properly, like any other dog, they can be totally sweet and lovable dogs...like any other dog. Yet another reason those breed-specific laws are ignorant mumbo-jumbo.

Some good points!

Just, if I may, two points of correction?

- I was suprised to learn, through my above-mentioned association (by being neighbours) with an actual dog-fighter, that there is actually no 'torture'-like training in preparation of the dogs for fights (at least in his particular meilue). He excersized them, indeed, but the only actual torture he put them through was the actual fights (again, I have no stomach nor respect fo that).

- And, pits' jaws don't and can't actually lock. They just have gobs of muscles to call on when biting. I'd watch my dogs head when he was chewing on a toy, and their jaw muscles wrap way high (on the head) and back (behind the jaws)... and those muscles flex like a body builders biceps, but, there is no locking mechanism.

Re: Dog Fighting...

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:48 pm
by Eunuchist (imported)
Generally, I have very little respect for anyone who practices torture or killing for sport - be it on humans or other living animals. In fact, I downright despise hobby hunters and animal fighters. Why can't we keep such unnecessary violence VIRTUAL? There are a number of sophisticated hunting games with steadily improving graphics, such as the "Hunting Unlimited" or the "Deer Hunt" series. I am fairly sure that similar games could be developed on the topic of dog fighting (or cock or bull fighting, once we are at it), complete with online communities, training, cash, ranks, etc.

WHY such a tremendous desire to inflict death & suffering on another conscious, living being simply in order to obtain some kind of a "rush" (or whatever is going on in the heads of these folks)??🤷

Re: Dog Fighting...

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:28 am
by Falcon (imported)
I'm not an extremist like those PETA folks (my nephew says it stands for People Eating Tasty Animals) but I was raised to believe that you never inflicted unnecessary pain on an animal for ANY reason. Growing up in dairy country, I learned that if a chicken was destined for the soup pot, you killed it quickly and as painlessly as possible. Ditto with hunting, the goal was always to drop an animal with one clean shot; I remember one of my uncles in tears because he had shot a large buck and only wounded it.

As far as over-privileged football players getting their jollies by watching dogs kill each other . . . perhaps football should be played with no protective gear and no time outs and the winner is the team that is still standing when the rest have been beaten unconscious.

Terry