I've seen various discussions of the effects of surgical castration and understand them, but am not sure I've seen a focussed discussion on these two aspects:

How much penile shrinkage can be expected to occur? On the "if you don't use it, you lose it" principle it seems shrinkage will occur - but how much?

Background - I tried estrogen for 3 months and experienced shrinkage to about 25% (by volume) about 50% (by length) that has never returned. I also developed Peyrone's Syndrome due to overenthusiastic tucking during that period so it's possible the lesions prevent full erections and that contributes to the shrinkage. My desired outcome is that it would shrink a lot. What are others' experiences?

How much body hair loss can be expected? After the period referred to above I have much lighter leg and chest hair - it was never of the heavy type anyhow - but I can now depilate and stay hairless longer and maintain it much easier - what about the effects of castration - can I expect more improvement.

PS - I see that frequently some one or two feel it their duty to advise people considering castration to consider all the possible effects, not just the desired ones. Be assured I've read your posts and will take them into full consideration.

Thanks for any comments.

Penis shrinkage varies greatly. Think age may have some effect. Use it or loose it is also a factor. The lack of erections has the greatest effect on shrinkage. Most guys will get several erections over night. With out testosterone your number and hardness will be less. Causing decrease in size. As a guy gets older his testosterone levels decrease over time and an older man will have a smaller penis then when he was 20 years. If you cause erections during the day the shrinkage will be lessened.

Can not help about the estrogen for I do not know much on it.

0_Wisher (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:39 am How much penile shrinkage can be expected to occur? On the "if you don't use it, you lose it" principle it seems shrinkage will occur - but how much?

This is one of those questions that doesn't have a definite answer. The favorite saying here applies,"Your mileage may very". I also think that estrogen has more effect on this then chemical castration and is more likely to make you permanently sterile. You may have already experienced what shrinkage you'll get, but who knows. I do no, it won't all go away. Some guys that don't want the shrinkage us a penis pump about 20 min. a day.

0_Wisher (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:39 am Background - I tried estrogen for 3 months and experienced shrinkage to about 25% (by volume) about 50% (by length) that has never returned. I also developed Peyrone's Syndrome due to overenthusiastic tucking during that period so it's possible the lesions prevent full erections and that contributes to the shrinkage. My desired outcome is that it would shrink a lot. What are others' experiences?

Peyronie's Disease

From Mary Kugler, R.N.,

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A condition that affects the penis

What is it?

Peyronie's disease isn't a disease, but a condition that affects the penis. A plaque or hard lump forms on the upper or lower side of the penis in the layers of erectile tissue. The plaque may begin as inflammation (redness and swelling) and harden into a scar. It is not cancerous. Researchers aren't sure what causes the plaque to form. Some have suggested it comes from injuring the penis by hitting it or bending it, especially during intercourse, but this doesn't explain why most cases develop slowly or why many cases go away on their own.

The plaque forces the penis to bend during an erection, which may be painful. All men's penises bend a little this way or that when erect, but in Peyronie's disease the bend is very obvious, and it may be difficult or impossible to have intercourse because of it.

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In some cases, a plaque forms on both the top and the bottom of the penis, which can cause shortening or the erect penis to look like it has a tight band around it.

Who gets it?

Studies have found that men of any age--from teens to elderly--can develop Peyronie's disease. Since researchers aren't sure what causes it, it is hard to predict who might develop it. Also, different studies have found different rates of occurrence in men, anywhere from 0.38% to 3.2%.

How is it treated?

For many men with Peyronie's disease (5% to 40% of cases), the condition never goes beyond the inflammation stage, and this resolves without treatment within a year or so. For the men who developed the hard plaque, other than surgery there are few established options. Some researchers have tried Vitamin E orally, but this therapy has not been shown conclusively to work (needs more testing). Another treatment is the injection of chemical agents directly into the plaque. Verapamil worked well in one study, but this also needs more testing before it becomes accepted. Others have tried injecting collagenase or steroids, but these both involve unwanted side effects. Radiation therapy on the plaque has been tried, and although it relieves pain it does nothing to get rid of the plaque.

In severe cases, after waiting for 1 to 2 years to see if the problem resolves, a surgeon can either remove the plaque or cut into it so it spreads open. Then tissue has to be grafted over where the plaque is/was; this can be the man's own tissue (from his groin), sterilized pork tissue, or sterilized tissue donation from a cadaver. Another option is to leave the plaque but remove or pinch the tissue on the opposite side of the penis to cancel out the bending. Men who have this done don't like it because it shortens the length of the penis. Both types of surgery may leave a man with problems having or maintaining erections.

A third surgical technique is the implanting of a device in the penis that can be inflated. If the bending is not too severe, the implant itself may straighten out the penis; if necessary, the plaque will also be removed.

What's on the horizon?

Finding out what causes Peyronie's disease would help physicians treat it. Studies have examined the condition as an autoimmune disorder (the body attacking its own cells) and as a problem with wound healing. Future research could continue these investigations and look at treatment alternatives to surgery.

0_Wisher (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:39 am How much body hair loss can be expected? After the period referred to above I have much lighter leg and chest hair - it was never of the heavy type anyhow - but I can now depilate and stay hairless longer and maintain it much easier - what about the effects of castration - can I expect more improvement.

PrincessKitty addresses some of this on her second post on her thread here: http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=11366

Castration lets the estrogen work better, so ones body hair should be close to a natural woman's. Facial hair will not go away though. It may thin some and become lighter, but there will always be some unless it is permanently removed. Electrolysis seem to work best, but is expensive.

0_Wisher (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:39 am PS - I see that frequently some one or two feel it their duty to advise people considering castration to consider all the possible effects, not just the desired ones. Be assured I've read your posts and will take them into full consideration.

I think you are talking about me here. Sorry if it offends you that warnings are repeated. The reason I and others say the things we do is because, most of us here want to make sure everyone knows what they are getting into. A lot of the things that guys talk about doing are permanent. Many guys that come to this forum don't do the homework that you say you have done. There have been guys that have killed themselves after regretting what they have done to themselves. We don't want that to happen anymore. This is a very caring group.

my body hair is the same, and my penis has not shrank.....

You know how women go through menopause, but would it not be great if men went through womenopause? Ok, what is women opause? (I made it up) womenopause is when the male reaches a certain age the balls just stop functioning and fall off! Just think how much better the world would be!!!:dong:

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IbPervert (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:58 pm reaches a certain age the balls just stop functioning and fall off!

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I think it would be more interesting if they showed no sign of dysfunction but instead just one day they just suddenly dropped to the ground. *plop-plop*

And maybe they could slink away like slugs and possibly go make a home in the sea (in a seashell)?

I have been on hormones off and on for almost 7 years (depending on insurance and affordability). Right now, I am on pretty high doses of estrofem(6mg), spironolactone (200mg), and microgest (100mg). Since insurance will no longer cover me, I have to pay for it myself but getting to your question.

During the 5 months that I was off hormones, my breasts shrunk somewhat, body hair started coming back in, and my penis returned to somewhat normal size (which was never very big anyway). Since being back on, my breasts are again filling out and body hair is starting to decrease again. Also, the size of my penis is again on the decline (hallejuia). Although it varies, my size is usually between one and three inches. My testicle (tried to castrate myself once and was half way successful) has also started to shrink again.

If you want the "reducing" process to continue, stay on the hormones and be patient but remember, if you stop, things will eventually go back to normal.

YMMV

every body reacts differently to andropause (that's what male menopause is called) some have shrinkage while others don't. It all depends on excersize a penis is a lot like a muscle excersize keeps it (relatively) bigger and atrophy can happen if it is not used. again YMMV

For me I have some shrinkage and not much body hair eather and my brests are biger.I still can get hard and clymax but why as it dosent get me all excited as it once did so again why.

sag111 (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:14 pm For me I have some shrinkage and not much body hair eather and my brests are biger.I still can get hard and clymax but why as it dosent get me all excited as it once did so again why.

Sag, what does your wife have to say about that?