Hi everyone! I was hoping I could get some advice. About two weeks ago I had a bilateral orchi in Philidelphia. Everything went great and I'm recovering nicely, but something happened that has me confused.

Out of curiosity I tested out my new body and brought myself to orgasm last night. I was disturbed to find that it wasn't the clear fluid I remember from my earliest days of T blockers. In fact, there seemed to be "normal" amounts of semen.

As ridiculous as it sounds, now I'm worried that somehow I'm still producing it or there was some problem with the surgery or...well, God knows what. I'm just feeling very paranoid I guess.

So, my question is; Is this normal? Is it possible that there is still just leftover sperm that has to make its way out? I had assumed that aspect would just shut off like a faucet, but...well, now I don't know!

Any advice or personal experience with this icky and unexpected phenomenon would be SO greatly appreciated! Not to mention put my mind at ease!

Thank you!

PrincessKitty (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:52 am Hi everyone! I was hoping I could get some advice. About two weeks ago I had a bilateral orchi in Philidelphia. Everything went great and I'm recovering nicely, but something happened that has me confused.

Out of curiosity I tested out my new body and brought myself to orgasm last night. I was disturbed to find that it wasn't the clear fluid I remember from my earliest days of T blockers. In fact, there seemed to be "normal" amounts of semen.

As ridiculous as it sounds, now I'm worried that somehow I'm still producing it or there was some problem with the surgery or...well, God knows what. I'm just feeling very paranoid I guess.

So, my question is; Is this normal? Is it possible that there is still just leftover sperm that has to make its way out? I had assumed that aspect would just shut off like a faucet, but...well, now I don't know!

Any advice or personal experience with this icky and unexpected phenomenon would be SO greatly appreciated! Not to mention put my mind at ease!

Thank you!

There was a man who had a bilateral who sent out a video of him climaxing and as he put it the color etc all look the same. I don't think "clear" had anything to do with sperm or not. The drugs? Maybe do?

How are you feeling? How did it go in surgery?

The vast bulk of the ejaculate is produced by your prostate. Sperm is a very, very small amount. I had mine removed in July 2005 and do not see any change.

Sperm don't really look like much of anything. Like most cells (other than red blood cells), they're basically invisible. Semen is a bit like very clean, runny snot, with some extra stuff in it to neutralize the outrageously hostile (to sperm, anyway) conditions inside the uterus.

Thank you to everyone who responded! I am feeling much better now! I think that I have a little bit of hormonal withdrawal (I'm not allowed back on my estrogens for a month post surgery) and my emotions are a bit of a roller coaster! Also, in all the research I had done pre-orchi, most of the testimonials mentioned little-to-no discharge, and that it was completely clear. Then again, in my experience, it really seems that the castration experience- both physically and emotionally- is VASTLY different from individual to individual!

As for my experience, all-in-all I think things with Dr. Kimmel went very well, though, this also seems to vary between folks. I feel very fortunate that things went well with mine.

Dr. Kimmel was very nice. My husband went with me, and when Dr. Kimmel came in he immediately began talking to my husband about the surgery and telling me how to care for him. We had to stop him and explain that it was ME getting the surgery and, despite- I assume- many many many years of dealing with transsexuals he seemed a bit taken aback by the whole thing! But overall he seemed very competent and intelligent, and, seeing I was terrified, went to great lengths to reassure me and ease my concerns. During the pre-surgery consult I did notice his hands shaking significantly, but- strangely- during surgery, whenever I caught sight of his hands he seemed very steady and assured.

The surgery itself was very easy. I was able to take in a few stuffed animals, which helped alot! The worst part was the beginning where he gave me three injections- two into the nerve bundles on either side of my crotch and one into the underside of my scrotum. Oh God! Those hurt so much! You can actually feel the pain moving up your body through the nerve! But after that, I was completely dead below my tummy.

He talked to me for a while, but I was so nervous I pretty much babbled on and on and he gave up and just let me ramble after a while! I never felt a thing during the surgery. I just lay there and stared at the sky out the window, concentrating on not accidentally looking down and seeing what was really going on! At the very end, as he put in the last stitch, the numbness began to wear off and I felt the very last stitch, which hurt a little, but still wasn't bad.

I should also mention, I have seen a lot of thoughts on the condition of the operating room. I was almost expecting to go in and see something out of the movie Hostel with rusted fixtures and blood all over everything. In reality, the room was pretty decent. It did have a look of being very old, which is strange considering most of the building seems completely renovated. However, my husband goes to an upper scale private practice and his doctor's exam room is the same way, very old and somewhat in disrepair, so I dunno. I would have been happier if it was gleaming and shiny wherever I looked, but it wasn't the house of horrors I was semi-expecting.

Again, Dr. Kimmel took a LOT of time getting me up and about and letting the meds wear off before moving me. I had such an immediate sense of bliss and peace knowing those annoying little things were out of me and Testosterone would never darken my doorstep again (At least, not very much of it!) He was very careful to explain everything to my husband and I several times (Though there is SO much to remember, I don't know how people who go alone retain it all post-surgery)

Largely I had a very positive feeling for Dr. Kimmel and the surgery, but, as with any experience, there were a few negatives. The biggest is that, while my husband went to get my medications from the nearby pharmacy I sat in the surgery room and waited. Across the hall Dr. Kimmel's assistant (Joe, I think?) was preparing a letter stating I had irreversible gender reassignment surgery, blah blah. They seem to have a standard template for this but I have a hyphenated last name and, apparently, Microsoft Word was giving them fits about this. I heard Joe(?) calling me an idiot and saying my name is nonsense VERY loudly from the other room. I started crying, but when my husband came back I didn't dare tell him for fear of making a big scene. It really hurt my feelings though.

Second, Dr. Kimmel gave me a list with my post-surgery instructions if I had to refer back to them. When we got home and looked it over, though, it was very short and missing much of the important information. Thankfully, between the two of us, we remembered everything, but this list would be invaluable to someone who went for their surgery alone. It only has five points on it, and two are optional. Meanwhile, things like a time line, caring for the wound, things to look or watch out for, etc are not mentioned.

That's it for the negatives though. Like I said, overall I was very happy with the experience.

Post surgery I feel great!!! With no hormones, only the lack of T, I'm already seeing wonderful changes! My skin has softened considerably. I already had very little body hair, but now, even that seems to have gone away. My breasts have actually gotten a size bigger! In just two weeks! I'm kind of in shock about that one!

The biggest change is mentally/emotionally though. For so long, it felt like I was caught in a war within my own thoughts. I was constantly wavering between moods, and felt like I was thinking through mud, especially the past 6 months at school. I have been on Spiro and estrogens for about 7 years and I could just feel them no longer working properly. As SOON as the surgery was over though...it was like suddenly the fog was gone! Despite the fact I have been stuck in bed for two weeks, I don't think I've ever felt better or more at peace!

Anyway, that's my experience with castration! I'm very glad I found this message board! It really helped hearing from others and I appreciate the support!

Thank you so much!!!

Thank you for posting such a long and detailed account of what it is like to be castrated by Dr. Kimmel. You have provided much needed information to the group at EA. Thanks!

As your prostate shrinks, the amount of your ejaculate will shrink also. This will take a long time, however. Patience. Getting used to the hormonal changes will also take some patience. Good luck.

The first couple times after castration my ejaculate looked almost kind of like it looked pre-castration while not on anti-androgens, then it after that it looked kind of transparent and yellowish; now, just in the last couple/few weeks it's no longer yellowish but just nearly transparent.

Maybe one day it will be completely transparent again like it was on anti-androgens? or maybe even nearly non-existent like it was with the addition of estrogen (I hope so -- This production of ejaculate must stop! X·)

Also, the volume of my ejaculate has not lessened much since castration. :/ I was hoping I'd be dry by now.

(Oh, my castration == Dec 22 last year.)

PrincessKitty (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:51 am My breasts have actually gotten a size bigger! In just two weeks! I'm kind of in shock about that one!

Bwahaha.. very nice. That happened with me, too. Though I wasn't particularly happy with that at first, I'm now kind of liking it.

Thank you again to everyone who has commented!

The offending bodily fluid has, indeed changed its colour and consistency. It is now pretty much just clear and watery.

A VERY unexpected side effect of the surgery is that I have lost CONSIDERABLE weight! I always assumed that eunuchs generally gained weight post surgery, but in the past week I have went from 150 down to 145. I've been trying to lose 10 lbs for a year now and within a week of surgery I'm already halfway there! Also, the little fat that was on my belly and upper arms, seems to be redistributing to my hips and breasts, which is very nice!

Every day I discover some new effect of my orchi that reaffirms my decision!

I have been castrated almost 15 years

For the first 12 to 14 months you wont notice much differance in the amount.After that it depends on how long you wait.I can produce a lot if I wait 3 weeks or a month.

If I try every couple of days I cant get anything any more.I really have no interest in doing it that often anyway.

My prostate was the size of a walnut at an exam when I was 39

2 years after getting castrated it had shrunk to the size of a marble.at my last exam it was still that size.

Congratulations on your castration! Also, thanks for the description of Kimmel, I'm looking for a doctor to castrate me, and I've heard a lot of mixed things about him; now I might consider him more carefully.