Eunuchs and Gender

[dingbat (imported)]

I was having a conversation with someone yesterday about gender classifications. I happened to mention this forum in passing. The person with whom I was speaking said "oh no, you can't include eunuchs in this conversation because they don't have gender issues, it's a physical thing for them, it's not about gender". Hmm.

My response was to say that, in a way, ALL of these discussions are physical in some way. Whether you're talking about t/g issues, eunuch issues, intersex issues or any other permutation thereof, they all have a physical component.

But then, he was also right in a funny kind of way, since being here I've learnt a great deal about voluntary castration and it certainly seems that there are some people for whom it's a purely physical thing, but others definitely have gender issues. I'm not talking about castration as a result of cancer or accident, I'm talking here about voluntary castration.

The conversation I refer to happened whilst I was in discussion with someone about the Gender Recognition Bill in the UK (sorry to harp on about the same thing all the time!). The really interesting thing was that I was talking to someone who is reasonably well-informed and the comment he made wasn't intended to be a value-judgement, it was just what he genuinely believed to be true.

When I thought about the conversation afterwards I realised that I wasn't at all sure what my position was! I have no idea how to set up a poll on here (or even if I'm allowed to!) but I was wondering this :

How many of you feel that your castration had anything to do with your gender?

In other words, was physical castration the sole thing for you or has it also something to do with the way you feel about yourself gender-wise?

I guess I'm getting at this 'third gendered' thing again, but more specifically this time.

I honestly don't know what the ratios here are. This isn't a loaded post, I'm genuinely interested to see what people say.

Did your castration have anything to do with bringing your 'biological' gender into line with your 'personally perceived*' gender?

*Personally perceived gender meaning how you see yourself or how you wish yourself to be seen.

[kristoff]

Look at the menu bar on the post thread. There is a click box says :Thread tools." Poll stuff is in there. Yes you can start a poll. Just make sure you put an end date on it. As to topical questions you posited, I would suggest you have extensive conversations with Jesus. I'm sure you would both enjoy it, particularly since he and some others have been doing a lot of work in that area already.

[dingbat (imported)]

Thanks Kristoff, yes, I did tick on the 'post a poll' thing but nothing came up to tell me how to post the questions and so I gave up.

Jesus and I have had some truly fascinating conversations about this and, you're right, he has an amazing knowledge on this sort of thing but I guess I just wondered how people here felt about the issue.

Thanks and my apologies that I'm way too stupid to work out how to post a poll!!

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

Stupid? No, not at all. --FLO--

[kristoff]

I was having a conversation with someone yesterday about gender classifications. I happened to mention this forum in passing. The person with whom I was speaking said "oh no, you can't include eunuchs in this conversation because they don't have gender issues, it's a physical thing for them, it's not about gender". Hmm.

My response was to say that, in a way, ALL of these discussions are physical in some way. Whether you're talking about t/g issues, eunuch issues, intersex issues or any other permutation thereof, they all have a physical component.

But then, he was also right in a funny kind of way, since being here I've learnt a great deal about voluntary castration and it certainly seems that there are some people for whom it's a purely physical thing, but others definitely have gender issues. I'm not talking about castration as a result of cancer or accident, I'm talking here about voluntary castration.

The conversation I refer to happened whilst I was in discussion with someone about the Gender Recognition Bill in the UK (sorry to harp on about the same thing all the time!). The really interesting thing was that I was talking to someone who is reasonably well-informed and the comment he made wasn't intended to be a value-judgement, it was just what he genuinely believed to be true.

When I thought about the conversation afterwards I realised that I wasn't at all sure what my position was! I have no idea how to set up a poll on here (or even if I'm allowed to!) but I was wondering this :

How many of you feel that your castration had anything to do with your gender?

In other words, was physical castration the sole thing for you or has it also something to do with the way you feel about yourself gender-wise?

I guess I'm getting at this 'third gendered' thing again, but more specifically this time.

I honestly don't know what the ratios here are. This isn't a loaded post, I'm genuinely interested to see what people say.

Did your castration have anything to do with bringing your 'biological' gender into line with your 'personally perceived*' gender?

*Personally perceived gender meaning how you see yourself or how you wish yourself to be seen.

Back from the garage - new brake cables this AM....

Looked up posting a poll. When one starts a new thread (the poll must head the thread), scroll to the bottom of the page. There is a check box for starting a new poll. Go there - it takes you through the steps....

[confuzed (imported)]

I have to mention first off ,that I haven't been castrated yet, but I'm looking in to it.

When I first came to this site it was because of a sex addiction I have, and although I have had TG thoughts all my life, its only then I was young there where as strong as they are now.

I am still unsure why it has got so strong, but I think Its maybe due to low T.

Anyway, I don't think I would make a very convincing female, if that is what I really want, but I don't want to be male and have all these male characteristics anymore.. So I'm thinking of getting testicles removed next year, I know this will not take the male status away from me, but its the next best thing, until I decide to transition or not.

So what I'm trying to say is, I don't know if I was meant to female, but I was never meant to be male either.

So that would be my reason for castration, plus it would get rid of my sex addiction at the same time, kind of like a double whammy lol

Confuzed

[tugon (imported)]

I was castrated because I did not want to be male. I consider myself as eunuch and not male or female. This has more to do with emotions then it is a physical issue. Here is a link to a thread I started with some interesting replies.

http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=9791

[jemagirl (imported)]

My situation has a lot to do with gender. I don't like any of the secondary male sex characteristics. I absolutely don't fit into the "M box" but I don't see my self as being entirely female either. So the desire for an orchiectomy in my case is very related to gender.

I feel the original intent in coining the word transgender, was to express the reality of a persons gender identity, as originating some where between their ears rather than their legs. I also feel that the intent was in part to acknowledge that there are more than two genders. Drawing from my own experience, finding my self some where between male and female, I can see the validity of some one identifying as bi-gendered, non-gendered or eunuch. I also see many people who are voluntary eunuchs as male, and in some cases female.

Some times in the past I have spent hours looking at people's profiles. I find the amazing amount of diversity really interesting. It might be interesting to do a spread sheet but I wouldn't know where to begin because the reality of this place is so multidimensional.

[Fixet (imported)]

I am chemical castrated. My gender as to do alot with my castration, as i don't see my male characteristics fitting me. Neither does female characteristics.

I see myself as a Neutrois http://neutrois.0catch.com/defin.htm

[truly committed (imported)]

but I don't want to be male and have all these male charac

hteriztics any more..

confused, what do you mean? emotionally? or psychicallY? I can understand the latter, but not the former-i see no differance between the way men act and women act, and women are as horny as men...

I dont know,what if you were a female and were addicted to sex? what would you do? Society right now is really giving men a hard time and i really dont like it...