Hi, I'm new around here as a member, but I'm no stranger to this message board. I've been a fence sitter for several years and now I'm preparing to take the next big step.

I purchased a starter pack of androcur and tamoxifen a few days ago consisting of about 6 weeks of a conservative dosage of each medication. I didn't see any sense of buying any more because I'm concerned about the two drugs and the online pharmacy I'm initially dealing with. I'll explain a little more about me in my next post, so to cut the chase here's my plan.

My goal is to drop my testosterone down as low as it will go. I want to become totally impotent with no errectile function, sex drive, sexual thoughts etc. I've thought this over for a long time, I've done all my research, and I'm prepared to accept the good health effects as well as the bad ones. Unless of course I have a drug reaction which would obviously change my plans some what.

My current plan: Before I start on Androcur and Tamoxifen, I'm going to have my testosterone level checked. Once I get my results I plan on starting at 100 mg of Androcur and 40 mg of tamoxifen per day split into two separate doses for 10 days. Then I'm going to drop my dosage to 50 mg of androcur and 20 mg of tamoxifen per day.

By weeks 3-4 I'll have some idea of whether or not I want to stay on these medications. At that point I'll most likely order more medication depending on how things are going.

At day 30 I'm going to have my testosterone level and possibly other hormone levels checked again to see how well the drugs are working so I can determine if I need to increase or maintain my dosage levels.

I'll go into it a little more on my next post and hopefully by then I'll have some feedback from the group.

Take care

Hi. Do you also plan to have blood tests for liver function?

Not initially, but perhaps later depending on the out come of trying these two drugs. I've got two big obstacles in my way; the first one is a lack of health insurance. Being self employed means that my healthcare premiums are outragious and right now I'm not able to afford them. But when it comes to your health you have to do what's necessary so there's always cash or credit.

The other problem is dealing with a doctor. You can't just walk into any doctors office and say "I've chemically castrated myself can you test my liver functions" and expect them to respond the way you need them to. If I pick the wrong doctor it would be very costly under those circumstances because I would have to go to someone else which is another shot in the dark. The other problem is dealing with the hassle explaining my self to my doctur. For this reason I want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing for myself before I decide to deal with a doctor under my circumstances.

So the strategly is to keep the dosages at a perceived safe level and see how things go. I plan on going no higher than 100 mg of Androcur and 20 mg per day of tamoxifen which under normal circumstances I should be ok. If I decide to stay on these drugs for more 6 months I will have my liver checked at some point before the end of the first year.

nosexhormones (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:51 am Not initially, but perhaps later depending on the out come of trying these two drugs. I've got two big obstacles in my way; the first one is a lack of health insurance. Being self employed means that my healthcare premiums are outragious and right now I'm not able to afford them. But when it comes to your health you have to do what's necessary so there's always cash or credit.

The other problem is dealing with a doctor. You can't just walk into any doctors office and say "I've chemically castrated myself can you test my liver functions" and expect them to respond the way you need them to. If I pick the wrong doctor it would be very costly under those circumstances because I would have to go to someone else which is another shot in the dark. The other problem is dealing with the hassle explaining my self to my doctur. For this reason I want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing for myself before I decide to deal with a doctor under my circumstances.

So the strategly is to keep the dosages at a perceived safe level and see how things go. I plan on going no higher than 100 mg of Androcur and 20 mg per day of tamoxifen which under normal circumstances I should be ok. If I decide to stay on these drugs for more 6 months I will have my liver checked at some point before the end of the first year.

I've repeatedly stated here that Doctors are not gods. They are no different than a box of Cheerios - they are a commodity. If you don't like Cheerios, pitch em, and get a box of Wheaties. Who says you must explain yourself? Go in, state the situation, tell him what you need, and tell him to get it done. Take charge of your own health in his office, just as you have with chemical castration. Generally, most MDs are quite cooperative and acquiescent with someone who is assertive and directs rather than submits to his/her own care. He may be concerned, alarmed, badly reactive - whatever. If he gets nasty tell him his job is to attend your health not judge you. If he doesn't do what you need, tell him to F-off, and don't pay him, because he didnt provide needed services.

I wanted to explain a little more about myself without going into a lot of personal detail. I'm 33 and married with one child, my spouse supports my decision and we have decided not to have anymore children. We have fully discussed what sex might be like once I'm castrated and since there's various options such as pumps, toys, there shouldn't be any problems. Luckily my eventual inability to have an errection is not going to interfere with my ability to satisfy her needs.

Regarding myself, I don't have an overactive libido, depression, or any other problems. I'm pretty much normal besides for my desire to be castrated. I like sex, but no enough to want to try something different. I think my desire to be castrated is greater than my sex drive and since I'm planning on continueing to have sex in a different way, sex really isn't an issue that I'm dealing with right now.

There's also a cosmetic component to my desire to be castrated. I like the way the penis looks without testicles. So surgery would definately be in my future if castration is right for me.

Right now I'm still at step one, I'm still waiting for my medication and my hormone test to arrive. I'm sure by the time they arrive I'll have thought about every tiny detail about 100 times over, lol. I'm looking forward to getting things underway and I'm thankful that the Eunuch Archive is here, that various anti-androgens are available without prescription; and that Doctor Kimmel is standing by in case I need to make an appointment.

I'll be in touch and best regards to everyone.

Hi, I started with Androcur 5 days ago (150mg/day). I also have the Tamox here but I want to wait with it until the testosterone level has gone down. It is more or less a supplement in case libido does not decrease or I start to feminize.

By the way after 5 days there is not the slightest effect of A. but I didn't expect anything before week two. We will see.

Keep us informed about your experience.

Greetings, Aquamarin

kristoff wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:41 am I've repeatedly stated here that Doctors are not gods. They are no different than a box of Cheerios - they are a commodity. If you don't like Cheerios, pitch em, and get a box of Wheaties. Who says you must explain yourself? Go in, state the situation, tell him what you need, and tell him to get it done. Take charge of your own health in his office, just as you have with chemical castration. Generally, most MDs are quite cooperative and acquiescent with someone who is assertive and directs rather than submits to his/her own care. He may be concerned, alarmed, badly reactive - whatever. If he gets nasty tell him his job is to attend your health not judge you. If he doesn't do what you need, tell him to F-off, and don't pay him, because he didnt provide needed services.

You're absolutely right and thank you for the advice. I've been through a long ordeal with back surgery in the past and I pretty much know what I'm up against and how do deal with doctors when the time comes. And yes they are definately a commondity and nothing more. For me it's more of a money and access issue because of my lack of insurance. My previous statements about dealing with doctors are really a product of my current state of mind more than anything else. Once I"m a couple of weeks into my treatment I'll have a better idea of what direction I'm going to take.

I do have an important question though. If I were put on anti-androgens under a doctors care would he or she require me to have my liver enzymes checked before I started on the medication to get a baseline reading, or do they do this after a person has been on suppression therapy for a short time?

nosexhormones (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:12 am I do have an important question though. If I were put on anti-androgens under a doctors care would he or she require me to have my liver enzymes checked before I started on the medication to get a baseline reading, or do they do this after a person has been on suppression therapy for a short time?

I would suspect that most MDs would not check for a baseline. Unfortunately most modern medecine tends to be reactive rather than proactive.... You'd likely have to ask for it.

This is a sad truth. I don't think there are many places anywhere in the world that have a true 'health care' system. What we see are 'illness care' systems. The docs are there to treat you when you're sick, not help make sure you don't become sick in the first place.