Hello,

I'm considering the possibility of taking Androcur (or a generic equivalent containing cyproterone acetate).

My aim would be effective chemical castration: loss of libido and function.

Having read a lot of information including potential side effects risks and contra-indications one quickly realises that this is a powerful drug not to be taken lightly.

I am reluctant to approach my doctor because that route would involve a lot of explaining and possibly getting into counselling to justify my wish.

So what are peoples' views on non-prescribed self administration?

Are there alternatives that are as effective which might be preferred?

(I'm quite happy to respond to any question; I'm not explaining the "why" up from more than my profile does because I just don't know where to start!)

Were this to be my chosen route what suppliers have proven to give good and easy service?

Regards,

Matthew

Hello,

calmeilles (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:23 pm So what are peoples' views on non-prescribed self administration?

Are there alternatives that are as effective which might be preferred?

Hi Matthew,

Our goals are not quite the same, but I have been in a similar boat. So I hope that my experiences will be of some use to you.

Self prescribing is to be preferred over auto-castration in terms of risk, but there are still risks. I want you to know I tried the DIY castration, so I'm not judging you.

The preferred alternative is to see a therapist and get them to prescribe the Meds under a doctors supervision. I think most people have a knee jerk reaction to the idea of sitting down in front of a therapist and sharing their most private feelings. It sounds much more intimidating to me that a joy ride in a dentist's chair. In fact I have a full on phobia of the medical profession. So if this sounds like a bad idea to you I can certainly relate, but I have found that trying to do this on your own is difficult and dangerous. So I have really worked hard to set my fears aside, and to my sunrise I have found people are willing to listen.

Well, it may not be what you hope to hear, I don't really know, but others will chime in and share their various points of view. So it's good that you asked.

Jema

Matthew,

I am in the same situation as you in that I wanted to reduce libido to zero. I began taking generic Androcur 10 months ago. A number of months later I added tamoxefin to enhance the libido reduction and to hold breast development in check.

I began my dosages at 50mg Androcur twice a day. Soon I went up to 100 mg twice a day to achieve desired effect. Total lose of libido happened when I added on 20mg tamoxifen daily. Am now on a rotation of 50mg twice daily, then 50mg once daily, 50mg twice daily, etc.

I did this without a doctor's supervison. Got the drugs over the internet. However, I do have blood work done for another medical condition so if something is way out a line it will show up. Also, since my father died of liver

cancer -- I have asked for and received liver related testing regularly also.

If it were not for these routine blood/liver workups I would have been more reluctant to do this on my own. But my desire for reduced libedo was vey strong. After 12 months on drugs do hope to follow through with castration.

The pre-castration drug therapy has helped me go through some of the 'pitfalls' of castration. Had the hot flashes, dealt with the lose of strength, had some bouts of mild depression and modiness.

I hope this helps. I'd be happy to answer any questions about my experience.

Ubandme

Thanks Ubandme, I'll read further on tamoxifen in combination. The lack of any other reason for having my health monitored is a concern.

Matthew

You can alway self-medicate under the supervision of a doctor, getting bloodwork done and doing health checkups frequently. Noone says you have to say what it is you are taking or how you got it.

In your search, I'd consider reading about SERMs (like tamoxifen = nolvadex) as well as Aromatase Inhibitors (most popular currently is Exemestane = aromasin).

The idea behind using exemestane over other AI's is that it may not negatively impact lipids levels. The only negative thing I have heard about nolvadex is potential long term vision problems. There is at least one study linking the issue.

I am just not sure if I would want to be on tamoxifen indefinitely. Know what I am saying?

You could also think about something that doesn't have such feminizing characteristics as androcur 'can' unless that is something you are going for. As it stands you only seem to want to reduce libido and all functionality.

Yes, I get the concerns about tamoxifen long term.

I certainly don't want to be feminised. My wish is impotence as an unsexed male. Incidentally this seems to be just about the only place that has any understanding of that; losing the sex drive without transgender desires.

matthew

I still don't see why nandrolone decanoate isn't more popular.

You get virtually complete loss of libido if on it long enough. No functional ability. But....

You get good muscle gains, no feminization (well there is a risk of prolactin induced gyno but...). Great joint protective benefits. Low to no androgenic sides (safe on the hairline). Probably good for the prostate since dht levels will be lower with no testosterone to convert to dht. I still don't see why so many people are 'risking' taking the feminizing type drugs like androcur and spiro sytemically when that isn't what they want.

This may be an illustration of how people can react very differently from the expected norms.

Despite the apparently positive aspect of nandrolone's side effects the data-sheets suggest that the high doses likely to cause loss of libido and erectile dysfunction are just those high doses that are also likely to reult in gynaecomastia.