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Destructive Ideas

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:19 pm
by Beau Geste (imported)
Someone recently commented that gunpowder was invented over a thousand years ago, it was first used in Europe around the fourteenth century, and more sophisticated explosives like TNT have been available since the nineteenth century. So it would have been possible for hundreds of years in the past, for people to purposely blow themselves up for military or political reasons. Yet the fact is that few people, if any, chose to destroy themselves in that way until the ninth decade of the twentieth century, and only within the last seven years has much of this sort of activity occurred. Now, of course, hardly a day goes by without there being something on the news about an individual who has decided to push his own personal launch button.

In a rather similar way, various lethal gases were first developed in the nineteenth century, and mustard gas and other toxic gases were used in the First World War. These substances are relatively easy to make, and many types of them have now been developed. So, it can be considered that it was feasible, as early as the 1920's, for private individuals or organizations to produce and use poisonous gases, for whatever their purposes might be. But, to my knowledge, the first (and, to date, only) attack by nongovernmental persons or organizations, using poisonous gas, was the 1995 attack in the Tokyo subway system by the Aum Shinrikyo sect.

Also, commercial aircraft service began in the 1920's, and the total number of commercial flights which had been made, worldwide, must have been in the millions by the year 1960. Yet there had been only a few sporadic hijackings until the 1960's, when the practice of hijacking aircraft to Cuba became common. Since then, of course, there have been many hijackings or attempted hijackings, including those on 11 September 2001, and the measures which have been necessary to prevent air piracy, have affected every air traveler.

What seems noteworthy is, that these three things--people blowing themselves up, attacks by private individuals using poison gas, and aircraft hijacking--would all have been possible a long time before people actually went and did them. And, in retrospect, the possiblity of doing these things must have been pretty obvious for years or even centuries before people went ahead and embarked on those activities. None of them are really all that difficult. So it seems certain that these types of destructive things were thought of, long before the first individuals did them.

Of course, this raises the interesting question of why it took so long before people finally decided to start blowing themselves up, before private individuals elected to use poison gas, and before aircraft hijackings became common. Is it simply a matter of people having to accustom themselves, perhaps for years, to the idea of doing something which hasn't been done previously, before they actually go and do it? Or do people have some kind of innate sense or propriety or appropriateness which keeps them from doing something extreme--but, then, at some point, they snap and decide to go ahead and do the wrong thing anyway. Then, after the deed has been accomplished, perhaps others think that the ice has been broken, so to speak, and they can go ahead and do it, too.

Re: Destructive Ideas

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:17 pm
by n3rf (imported)
Well - the military and theindustrial complex that provides for it, do need an OUTLET and the only thing the military knows well is to KILL KILL KILL, so that is why they do what they do. If only a few weapons was used in an open and free contest to prove who is the WINNER, like in the OLYMPICS then a "freeforall" war would NOT need to take place.The economiscs of a lowcost contest would be very low.

What it takes to go back to an HONEST contest -I like to know./N3RF

Re: Destructive Ideas

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:23 am
by Darmando (imported)
Throughout history the greatest enemy to human existence has been religious fundamentalism. When it controlled the political agendas of nations, those nations fought killing many thousands. Now the fundamentalists are mostly in a small minority. Even in Islam they represent a small percentage of true believers. So called Christian fundamentalists represent only about 20 percent of the Americans who still vote, but that's enough to control the president. Individual suicide isn't really a Christian thing, even though suicidal stupidity and collective suicidal tendencies seem to be common among the true believers of the Bush camp.

The problem is, there is a BIG difference between being a true believer and believing in truth [reality?]. Because the reality of today is so far removed from their delusions, there is a desperation among the true believers to set things right again. Osama was quoted as saying he can't stand to live in a world in which the United States is a reality.

Remember, a religious fanatic is someone who only does what he is certain God [Allah] would do if only their god understood the situation as well as they, the true believers, do.

So the judgment day can't wait, and they are willing to pass judgment that not only their present life isn’t worth living, but the world, or selective parts, large, or small, must be brought to an end by them because God is no longer acting in an appropriate way.

Weapons of massive destruction were once the prerogative of powerful leaders. Now frustrated believers with internet knowledge recruiting, and connections combined with modern transportation have power fanatics through earlier ages could only dream of having.

Re: Destructive Ideas

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:21 am
by n3rf (imported)
Yes - and their Brain-Washing little kids.

Their leader in the Mosque issues his "order" and they all "obey" what he said God wanted. Maybe we should charge him with a crime - insighting riot, killing, martyrdom, etc.N3RF