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Two minutes ahead on the Doomsday Clock

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:50 am
by Eunuchist (imported)
When the Doomsday Clock hits midnight, it's time to say goodbye.. :-\

How long 'til midnight? 🙋

Nuclear, climate perils push Doomsday Clock ahead

By Will Dunham

Wed Jan 17, 2:22 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The scientists who mind the Doomsday Clock moved it two minutes closer to midnight on Wednesday -- symbolizing the annihilation of civilization and adding the perils of global warming for the first time.

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The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, which created the Doomsday Clock in 1947 to warn the world of the dangers of nuclear weapons, advanced the clock to five minutes until midnight. It was the first adjustment of the clock since 2002.

"We stand at the brink of a second nuclear age," the bulletin's board of directors said in a statement.

They pointed to North Korea's first nuclear test, Iran's nuclear ambitions, U.S. flirtation with "bunker buster" nuclear bombs, the continued presence of 26,000 American and Russian nuclear weapons and inadequate security for nuclear materials.

But the scientists also said destruction of human habitats wreaked by climate change brought on by human activities is a growing danger.

"Global warming poses a dire threat to human civilization that is second only to nuclear weapons," they said.

The announcement was made in news conferences in London and Washington.

"We foresee great peril if governments and societies do not take action now to render nuclear weapons obsolete and to prevent further climate change," theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking of the University of Cambridge, a member of the bulletin's board of sponsors, told reporters in London.

'VILLAGE IDIOTS'

Cambridge astrophysicist Martin Rees added that while the Cold War confrontation between two nuclear-armed superpowers is over, the world is closer than ever to having nuclear bombs used in a localized war or by terrorists in a city center.

"A global village will have its village idiots," Rees said.

Kennette Benedict, the bulletin's executive director, dismissed the notion that by touting the threat posed by global warming, the scientists had diluted their message about the nuclear peril.

Many scientists predict dire consequences from global warming, including higher sea levels that over time could swamp coastal regions, more severe storms and worse wildfires. Human activities like burning of fossil fuels contribute to warming, they contend.

Physicist Lawrence Krauss of Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland said if humankind fails to change course on global warming, "there's a great possibility that the Earth in the year 2100 will only dimly resemble our planet today -- and as it has existed over the past 500,000 years."

The bulletin's scientists moved the clock two minutes forward in 2002, to seven minutes until midnight, following the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

The bulletin was founded in 1945 by University of Chicago scientists who had worked on developing the first nuclear bomb, and it is now overseen by some of the world's most prominent scientists.

The bulletin created the clock in 1947, two years after the United States ushered in the nuclear age by dropping atomic bombs on two Japanese cities at the end of World War Two, to symbolize the urgent nuclear dangers confronting the world.

It now stands at the closest to midnight since 1984, when it was three minutes to midnight amid a deepening Cold War.

It has been adjusted 18 times in 60 years. It was set as close as two minutes to midnight in 1953 after the United States and Soviet Union tested hydrogen bombs, and as far as 17 minutes to midnight in 1991 at the Cold War's end.

From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070117/sc_ ... clock_dc_4

Re: Two minutes ahead on the Doomsday Clock

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:11 am
by Riverwind (imported)
Yes man will go to the stars and populate new planets, leaving behind earth and its problems.

And the fact that it is not fit to live in but,

there will be a note in there file that says come back in a million years.

River

Re: Two minutes ahead on the Doomsday Clock

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:57 am
by n3rf (imported)
"Fear" is a viable product that Government and Scientists and other groups have "purchased" and peddle it daily to our citizens as the thing of the FUTURE.

Little is known about the "safe uses" of neclear power and its BENEFITS, and we are not allowed to find out.??

Little is know about the Planetary-Earth relations to the "Global Warming" phenomena and we are not allowed to learn about those ideas that some prominent people trained in this realm talks about - since Planetary Influences of the warming is real but hushed up. Why ??

No we do not have to puchase the Product "fear" nor "swallow" it since it is a poor daily diet. The influence of certain planetary bodies on our Sun and our Earth environment is of great importance and we should know about it. When the pendulum swings back to Good Uses of Nuclear Power and we talk about it more than what happens if You use it in a wrong way, we can begin to enjoy the new "safe" versions of Nuclear Power and hope the Planets will not move so bad that we cannot stay here on earth. Living on the Moon or the Mars Planet doesn't seem feasible at this moment and scienc fiction can take us away from our sensibilities when reality is all we got to work with. Wish us luck and a safe journey here on our Earth for eternity. N3RF

Re: Two minutes ahead on the Doomsday Clock

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:47 am
by tinydick (imported)
the clock might have moved but i dont think it will come to nuclear war and i dont think we are that close to doomsday

Re: Two minutes ahead on the Doomsday Clock

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:35 pm
by A-1 (imported)
tinydick (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:47 am the clock might have moved but i dont think it will come to nuclear war and i dont think we are that close to doomsday

Yeah, well after 9-11-2001 if I had anything to say about it, those jerks could sing this one...

One, two, three o'clock, four o'clock, rock,

Five, six, seven o'clock, eight o'clock, rock,

Nine, ten, eleven o'clock, twelve o'clock, rock,

We're gonna rock around the clock tonight.

Put your glad rags on and join me, hon,

We'll have some fun when the clock strikes one,

We're gonna rock around the clock tonight,

We're gonna rock, rock, rock, 'til broad daylight.

We're gonna rock, gonna rock, around the clock tonight.

When the clock strikes two, three and four,

If the band slows down we'll yell for more,

We're gonna rock around the clock tonight,

We're gonna rock, rock, rock, 'til broad daylight.

We're gonna rock, gonna rock, around the clock tonight.

When the chimes ring five, six and seven,

We'll be right in seventh heaven.

We're gonna rock around the clock tonight,

We're gonna rock, rock, rock, 'til broad daylight.

We're gonna rock, gonna rock, around the clock tonight.

When it's eight, nine, ten, eleven too,

I'll be goin' strong and so will you.

We're gonna rock around the clock tonight,

We're gonna rock, rock, rock, 'til broad daylight.

We're gonna rock, gonna rock, around the clock tonight.

When the clock strikes twelve, we'll cool off then,

Start a rockin' round the clock again.

We're gonna rock around the clock tonight,

We're gonna rock, rock, rock, 'til broad daylight.

We're gonna rock, gonna rock, around the clock tonight.

...and the Taliban and binLaden would have been ashes...

Re: Two minutes ahead on the Doomsday Clock

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:39 pm
by n3rf (imported)
Yes our military friends sing that song, but the words are slightly different - they have nuck nuck nuck intheresomewhere.

N3RF

Re: Two minutes ahead on the Doomsday Clock

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:55 pm
by A-1 (imported)
n3rf (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:39 pm Yes our military friends sing that song, but the words are slightly different - they have nuck nuck nuck intheresomewhere.

N3RF

nuck, nuck, more like fuck, fuck...

or better yet... fuck up, fuck up,

Re: Two minutes ahead on the Doomsday Clock

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:53 pm
by Bagoas (imported)
The "Doomsday Clock" is meaningless. It represents only the opinions of a group of scientists. There is no scientific basis for it. Their opinions are valid in their own fields of expertise, nuclear physics, chemistry, meteorology, climatology, agronomy, glaciology, etc.

In economics, geopolitics, military strategy, etc., their opinions are no more valid than those of any other man. The "Doomsday clock" has as much and as little meaning as the skull-&-crossbones. It is a symbolic warning. With the difference, however, that the skull-&-crossbones is applied to KNOWN hazards not to possible inferences, such as those on which the "Doomsday clock" is based.

As nuclear weapons proliferate (and common sense doesn't) the danger of nuclear war does, indeed, increase. However, so many social, economic, and religious factors are involved that no quantitative estimate of the probability of, much less the time before a nuclear war is possible. There are too many imponderables.

Natural hazards, unless we begin to plan strategies to deal with them are likely to be even more important than the threat of nuclear war.

Global warming is a fact. It has recurred on a major scale at least 3 times in the past 1,000,000 years. Inasmuch as the most recent (NOT "last") Ice age has not quite ended (There are still ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland.), we are on the threshold of an Interglacial Age. Those of the past have lasted tens of thousands of years.

We MUST anticipate between 20,000 and 30,000 years of unsteadily increasing temperatures before the next Interglacial reaches its peak.Human activity MAY be capable of influencing the RATE of deglaciation, but, even if we never burned another atom of carbon, temperatures will continue to rise until,the Interglacial Age peaks. We know this because it has happened repeatedly already.

It's time we stopped playing the "blame game", stopped wasting our time end energy on finger-pointing and started trying to learn how to cope with the inevitable global warming which has accompanied the onset of every Interglacial Age so far.

Yes, the ice is going to melt. Yes, sea level is going to rise. Yes, low-lying areas are going to be flooded. Yes, agricultural land will become desert. We can either get to work and DO something about it (I DON'T mean futile efforts to stop deglaciation.) or we can join the other animals in their mindless migrations.

Nothing we can do will STOP global warming. How can we stop it when we don't even know what causes it ? Whatever caused 3 (or possibly 4) earlier Interglacial Ages is causing this one. The most recent one was at least 60,000 years ago. Such humans as existed can hardly have influenced it with their tiny campfires in the doorways of their caves.

Even if we did know what causes it, the processes involved are truly global and partly cosmic and as such beyond our control. We can control only our own destiny. We can do what all other organisms have had to do when threatened by environmental changes. ADAPT or DIE !

Re: Two minutes ahead on the Doomsday Clock

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:24 pm
by A-1 (imported)
The last warm-up and recovery from glaciation was 13,000 years ago...

check it out...

http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nerc130k.html

Re: Two minutes ahead on the Doomsday Clock

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:52 pm
by s_76544 (imported)
A-1 (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:24 pm The last warm-up and recovery from glaciation was 13,000 years ago...

check it out...

http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nerc130k.html

Did we cause that one to end also?