I have seen that some tablets can be taken sublingually (placed under the tongue to dissolve), and I was wondering if this would work for androcur.

I have only seen it sugensted for estrogens and progestins but I thought I would ask anyway.

I never tought to try it that way. Maybe it is more efficient, who knows, since the product is not attacked by the stomach acids. I'll try with one pill (50 mg) just to see what it does.

JM

It was highly suggested to take Estrofem under the tongue instead of ingesting it. Something like 98% of the drug is lost if swallowed while 98% is absorbed into the body by placing it under the tongue and allowed to disolve. Small pill = under the tongue for best results. Anyone got better advice?

Sage

I tried one pill undertongue.

I did not notice any special

effect, except the tip of my

penis felt a bit frozen, like

at the dentist office. Maybe

because the brain is nearer it does that,

I mean it may act more quickly on the brain.

For any medication, even asperin, a large part

of the product is destroyed by stomach acid, it

is a scientific fact, but this percentage of 98 %

destroyed, hmm, i dont think so. Another not so

well known fact is that oestrogens are rendered

non operative when the come in contact with air (oxygen).

So I will keep my mouth shut for about 15 minutes.

This is not insanity at all because some doctors

recommend to apply progesterone (the form in peanut oil capsule),

directly on the skin, after cutting the round capsule, for the

progesterone not to be eliminated to quickly by the stomach

and liver processes. The effect feels strange, i mean you really feel something is happening in your body while applying progesterone on the skin. I tried that in a "hair" saving experiment, where the progesterone occupies the testosterone receptacles, and stimulates the natural hairgrowth cycles, without feminizing the body.

Some vitamins, like the B12, are especially

formulated to be taken "sub-lingually" (the brand "Swiss" in canada).

I will try Premarine undertongue .625 mg (red pill),

just to see what it does,

but I doubt that my system will get 30 or 40 times

more than the regular dose that way, cause if it does, I

would almost become a woman overnignt, lol.

If it really does that, think how fast and low cost

this revolutionary method of yours could bring happyness

to all transexuals to be !

Time will tell if you are a genius, no, a sage !

I hope to keep you informed of my sub lingual premarine essay.

JM

I tried one red (0.625mg) Premarine

sub-lingual. After a few minutes, I decided

to chew the pill to make smaller parts, to get

it active more quickly and to become liquified.

The taste is quite bitter, if you know where

premarine comes from, you can imagine.

After keeping this solution in my mouth for

about five minutes of penetration trought my mouth,

I spitted it. Next, as an averse reaction, probably

because the level of hormones in my blood was climbing

higher than usual, I had a very hard erection for about

30 minutes, then it gradually faded off. The next day,

all day, my penis was soft as gelatine.

So, maybe it is true, the dosage may be

higher than usual, if we use this unusual method,

instead of simply swallowing the medications.

On the bottles, a important remark is printed for

Androcur and Premarine: take one a day with a meal.

The reason for this recommandation is simple, while

the liver is occupied intaking energies from food, it's

cleaning action (of old hormones, etc) is off, so the

permeability of the body to incoming medications (hormones included) is greater when the body is a digestion phase.

But the sub-lingual method may be even more efficient

and more safe for this precious liver, since the "products"

have to make a trip trough the body before being processed

by this same liver.

How about you friends ?

JM

Without prescription ?? and how much $$ ??? N3RF

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Dear N3RF:

I will answer to you about 2 topics,

1- with or without prescription,

2- the cost of the medications.

with prescription: the legal road

This is my personal path, in Canada, easy as A, B, C.

In the year 1998 I saw my doctor and demanded him

Androcur (I had heard about it from transex friends) to

lower down my sexdrive, wich I knew was to strong.

The doctor received the results of my blood test ten days

after I passed the test. A bit of patience did not kill me (lol).

The blood test revealed a level of testosterone 2 and

a half time higher than normal. So the doctor prescribed 50mg

Androcur right away, and it made my life much more comfortable.

My doctor then asked for an exam by an endocrinologist,

and I went with a photocopy of my blood test results (testo levels and all).

After the endocrinologist examined me, he wrote back to

my doctor, who in turn added premarine to the treatment.

Now, the first time the pharmacist read my premarine prescription,

he immediately phoned to the doctor, to verify if it was okay.

Five seconds of shame did not kill me (lol).

Since then, there is no problem at all to buy what is required,

but I demanded to lower the premarine dosage, since feminisation

was not my intention. I now pass a blood test every 6 months.

This little experiments I wrote about, were just a one-time essay suggested by the "sage" above. With a testosterone level more than twice higher than normal, I had a legitimate and real reason to go on Androcur, it was not a fantasy.

without prescriptions the risky road

Dear N3RF:

We must understand that most people do not like for

others to know they seek for a very specialised path,

so they choose another road to solve their incomfort.

Also, there exist some uncertainties in our minds, before

we try the Androcur, or other products of this nature,

legally prescribed or not, but these things go away

gradually. I often say, on this wonderful informative forum: it is not

a big deal, ounce you tried Androcur, you know what it does,

and that it is reversible, and so on.

I dont know how people get prescriptions or get

these products without first being seen by a doctor.

If they do, it is a big risk they take.

The problem of a higher testosterone production may

not be a permanent state, and some other topics may play a

role in this. Consider what you eat, transfat (hydrogenated shortnings),

maybe also candida albicans, easely treatable with a natural product named GSE (made in USA), or if you drink too much coffee, or many other

factors.

I cannot imagine taking any medication without

a feedback from my blood test, with glucose levels,

cholesterols, thyroid, and so many things.

A liver, a kidney, and a brain, are too precious,

to take any risks with Androcur or Premarine.

I know too many people who damaged their kidneys and liver

because their Spironolactone dosage was too high.

Close medical supervision is a must for me.

And for those of you who wish to get a longer instrument

by taking depotestosterone combined with growth hormones,

I suggest you see a doctor first, instead of trying any dangerous ways.

At least he can give you a correct dosage for you, and by the way,

verify by a blood test if your health can support such therapies.

A prostate is a precious thing, if you still wanna taste some

pleasant moments somewhere in time.

The purpose of all this is : ask your doctor before making any moves.

Shampoos ?

If you like the Nioxin treatment, stay with it, I liked it.

You may also consider Pilosome (Lendan), treatment and shampoo.

The cost ?

It was around 85 dollars per 30 pills, 50 mg Androcur,

in 2000 ad, but the market fluctuates for reasons I dont know.

Premarine was about 11 dollars for 30 days. This surely varies

from country to country.

Since the insurance in my country covers legal prescriptions, I dont

worry about the prices. I dont take Androcur on a regular basis, and

premarine, not very often. My doctor told me about a lower dosage,

20 mg, or, I can cut the pill in half, there is a mark on it, just for that

purpose (the one with the BV in the hexagone, made in Germany).

I do not seek a transformation for me.

The theory advanced by "sage" that sub-lingual intake

may be more efficient than the swallowing method,

maybe right, but I dunno what to say for a long use

of it this way.

It maybe safer in the sense that with a well calculated lower dosage,

is it possible that logically the kidneys and liver do not have to work so hard eliminating the medications ?

A scientific study on this issue should tell you much more than me.

I hope this information does not shock anyone, and if the moderator of this forum evaluates this little article offensing, he may do as he pleases to correct parts, or simply delete it.

JohnMichel

Thanks N3RF

There is zero reason to place Androcur or any other drug except for estradiol under the tongue. It's not meant to be taken this way, and you're probably just swallowing it. As for estrogen, it is a myth that "98 percent" or whatever is destroyed by swallowing it; if that were true, the pills would be worse than useless. Placing estradiol (and estradiol ONLY, NOT Premarin or similar) under the tongue MAY result in higher levels of estradiol vs estrone over swallowing.

People have this idea that they can magically stick any pill under their tongue, and this is wrong. It ONLY works on some things (estradiol, nitrogylcerin) that have molecules small enough to be absorbed into the blood vessels in this manner.