Male & Female both opposites

[tugon (imported)]

As some of you know I consider myself eunuch more than male and I have never been female. A friend recently asked me if I still consider myself gay since I am attracted to men but do not think of myself as male. A very interesting question that I have been thinking about. I still have the resemblance of male but in my mind and heart I know I am not. Of course if my partner and I walked down the street hand in hand we would look like a gay couple.

I then began to think about how different I was to men and women. I then felt like both male and female are my opposites. Of course I still have some male parts but also some small breast growth that is feminine. Here I am in the middle between male and female.

An answer to my friends question is that as a eunuch I would not consider myself gay. I have been out as a gay man for a long time and closely relate to the community. As a eunuch I am not sure if the label strictly fits. We do all get labled one way or another. I would consider myself a eunuch who is attracted to men.

I would be interested in reading members thoughts.

[thefraj (imported)]

Thank you Tugon! For starting such a thought-provoking post!

Like yourself I don't really think of myself as a guy. Nor as a woman. I lie somewhere in the middle, a little of both or perhaps most of neither...Whatever a person prefers . But to be truely homosexual, one has to like someone of the same gender.

I wonder if the labels themselves limit the way we think about this topic. Because even the terms "homo" and "hetero" imply that there are only two gender states. And that it is generally accepted that you are either homosexual or heterosexual (or Bi?).

Even if we suppose all of this is true for a second...'homosexual' implies you have never slept with someone of the opposite gender (and never want to!), just as 'heterosexual' implies that you have never had any interest in sleeping with another person of the same gender. Either of which may be untrue.

Perhaps part of the problem is over-reliance on labels and stereotyping? Labels help us catagorise things, understand peoples' behaviour and explain phenomenons in the simplest of terms. I wonder if excessive focus on labels (that are oversimplified?) can actually become a hinderance to understanding what is actually out there.

It is something I've always wondered anyway Surely to be truely homosexual... you would have to be attracted to someone who is also a eunuch, or transgendered?

I am probably a little more attracted to women, than men, but I know in the past I have had crushes on guys...some with a strong personality, who are assertive or have a wonderful personality and a sharp mind.

It is easy to think of "homo" and "hetero" sexual as disconnected from gender identity. Now I'm starting to wonder if ... in some strange way ... they are connected?

[plix (imported)]

Surely to be truely homosexual... you would have to be attracted to someone who is also a eunuch, or transgendered?

Never thought of it that way before......I really like that

[Eunic JHD (imported)]

Extremely interesting subject. My wife and I have actually discussed this although not for some time. I personally consider myself a Eunuch although I didn't always feel this way. I honestly cannot consider myself a man and obviously not a woman. I feel more comfortable being in the company of women rather than men, but I attribute this to my lack of testosterone. I certainly am not "gay", or "homosexual", since I really have no appetite for sex, but I certainly do not object to people who are. I wish that someday we Eunuchs could become a gender of our own and not have to play the middle of the road. My Doctor who is an open minded female agrees with me on this issue and actually refers to me as a "Eumale" or Eunuch-Male and calls me "Eunuch" rather than "Mister" a word that as a Eunuch, I dislike. I hope my opinion on this has not offended anywone. It was not my intention.

[I Worship Women (imported)]

This brings up some very interesting questions which I had never considered, it just never occured to me to ask these questions.

I guess my sense is that it doesn't matter if someone is heterosexual or homosexual, a man is still a man and a woman is still a woman.

A man is a man and he is male, it doesn't matter if he is heterosexual or homosexual, it's just that a homosexual man is sexually attracted to other men instead of being sexually attracted to women. But heterosexual or homosexual they are both men and they are both male.

A woman is a woman and she is female, it doesn't matter if she is heterosexual or a lesbean, it's just that a homosexual woman (lesbean) is sexually attracted to other women instead of being sexually attracted to men.

But heterosexual or homosexual they are both women and they are both female.

Even people who are bisexual are either a man and male, or a woman and female.

My sense is that a transexual female is a woman and she is female, it's just that she's trapped in the wrong body. But her mind-set, her psyche, her being, her personality, etc is female. So she is a woman and she is female, and the body can be altered to fit what she really is, a female woman.

That brings us to the question of eunuchs. A eunuch is a man who is male and has had some or all of his male organs removed. But his mind-set, his psyche, his being, etc is still man and male. Yes, an altered male with the physical and psychological effects of castration. But he is still himself and he remembers being an intact male, and the definition of a eunuch is a castrated male.

Maybe another way to think of it is this. When you have your pet male dog neutered you don't suddenly start thinking and referring to him as "it". You still think and refer to him as he and him, as male. When you praise him you still say "good boy." You don't say "good it."

So if you think of your neutered male dog as "he", "him", "male", why would a eunuch, a castrated or "neutered" man be any different?

[DonnyMac (imported)]

Eunic JHD, interesting post. Being chemically castrated, my wife and I feel similar. I consider myself male, but with almost no drive it is more like a different sex, not male nor female. I am amazed how without testosterone, the mind thinks differently. Typical "male" things like porn, violent movies and video games, and even slight nudity are now turn-offs. That realization a few months back was one of the hardest "side-effects" to hurdle. Part of knowing you act and think like that third sex, a eunuch. This milder me has actually driven us closer together both physically and emotionally.

Don

[kristoff]

This brings up some very interesting questions which I had never considered, it just never occured to me to ask these questions.

I guess my sense is that it doesn't matter if someone is heterosexual or homosexual, a man is still a man and a woman is still a woman.

A man is a man and he is male, it doesn't matter if he is heterosexual or homosexual, it's just that a homosexual man is sexually attracted to other men instead of being sexually attracted to women. But heterosexual or homosexual they are both men and they are both male.

A woman is a woman and she is female, it doesn't matter if she is heterosexual or a lesbean, it's just that a homosexual woman (lesbean) is sexually attracted to other women instead of being sexually attracted to men.

But heterosexual or homosexual they are both women and they are both female.

Even people who are bisexual are either a man and male, or a woman and female.

My sense is that a transexual female is a woman and she is female, it's just that she's trapped in the wrong body. But her mind-set, her psyche, her being, her personality, etc is female. So she is a woman and she is female, and the body can be altered to fit what she really is, a female woman.

That brings us to the question of eunuchs. A eunuch is a man who is male and has had some or all of his male organs removed. But his mind-set, his psyche, his being, etc is still man and male. Yes, an altered male with the physical and psychological effects of castration. But he is still himself and he remembers being an intact male, and the definition of a eunuch is a castrated male.

Maybe another way to think of it is this. When you have your pet male dog neutered you don't suddenly start thinking and referring to him as "it". You still think and refer to him as he and him, as male. When you praise him you still say "good boy." You don't say "good it."

So if you think of your neutered male dog as "he", "him", "male", why would a eunuch, a castrated or "neutered" man be any different?

Your seemingly logical progression, viz., male, female, followed by eunuch, actually takes a twist and does not follow the same logic with regard to eunuch. Perhaps your eunuch dog is an it, a different gender, and it is merely a convenience to refer to "him" by a previously known gender, rather than finding the necessity of explanation. It doesn't take a far stretch in thought.

Go fetch the stick. Good eunuch.....

[thefraj (imported)]

I guess my sense is that it doesn't matter if someone is heterosexual or homosexual, a man is still a man and a woman is still a woman.

You seem to be forgetting that about 1 in 1500 births in the world are children born as neither male nor female, but with as intersexed. (source (http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency/)) I'm not sure how you would explain that? And that of these, you will find some that are genetically both sexes (such as XXY chromosomes, as with Klinefelter Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47,XXY) for instance)

My sense is that a transexual female is a woman and she is female, it's just that she's trapped in the wrong body.

Could it then follow, that someone like me has always had a eunuch identity in the mind, but been trapped in the body of a male? And that by ridding myself of my parts, I have escaped the effects of testosterone, much of the bodyhair, balding, and male feelings/urges too?

That brings us to the question of eunuchs. A eunuch is a man who is male and has had some or all of his male organs removed.

The same could be said of post-op transsexuals? Wouldn't this be overlooking the motive for why they were removed? For both eunuchs and transsexuals. Are not eunuchs, a type of transsexual?

Maybe another way to think of it is this. When you have your pet male dog neutered you don't suddenly start thinking and referring to him as "it". You still think and refer to him as he and him, as male. When you praise him you still say "good boy." You don't say "good it."

I don't see the comparison. And actually a little hurt you would compare me to a dog. Dogs don't talk. They can't tell you how they're feeling with words, or give us insight into their deepest desires, feelings and dreams. And with that in mind, will we ever truely identify a dog with a gender identity disorder? But above all, the dog was not done voulentarily.

I hope by reading the words in this post, I am at least able to convince you I possess abilities that transcend a dogs.

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I feel more comfortable being in the company of women rather than men, but I attribute this to my lack of testosterone.

Me too! I enjoy the company of any gendered friend, but I always feel safer and more comfortable around women. Go figure LOL

[bagman (imported)]

The issue here is firstly we are people (a person a human being) it is the mental issue, when a person is deprived of their hormones ( by whatever means) their brain reacts differently, their triggers are set off by time and circumstances so no two folk are the same or eact the same it is best to live life as best we can in our current state and enjoy what presents itself at the time and place of presentation. Let every person know how to possess their own vessel.

[I Worship Women (imported)]

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The same could be said of post-op transsexuals? Wouldn't this be overlooking the motive for why they were removed? For both eunuchs and transsexuals. Are not eunuchs, a type of transsexual?

I don't

think of a eunuch as being a type of transexual. A transexual is a person of one sex trapped in the body of the opposite sex, usually a woman (female) trapped in a male body. I agree that physically a male to female transexual might spend some time physically as a eunuch depending on how her surgeon does the male to female surgery. But with a transexual you have to look beyond the physical to their inner psyche, their very being, what they truly feel themselves to be down inside.

A eunuch is a male who is male and has had his testicles removed and has lost his source of male hormones. Maybe a good way to put it is, a transexual is a woman trapped in a man's body but she is really in her very being a woman and female. A eunuch is a man who is and considers himself to be male but has been castrated and lost his source of male hormones, but has no intention of going on for SRS surgery of any kind. It depends on how and what you felt inside yourself that you were before being castrated.