I am always searching for more information on various aspects of eunuch biology. After all, if we are going to live up to 15 years longer then intact males, we might as well make them worthwhile years. In any case, below is a sort of dialog I have had with Sherry. This is actually a re-writing of some e-mail we sent each other

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Andrew: I just noticed that you have updated your "effects of castration" page.....

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UPDATE: On November 6th, 2001, with the help of a certain therapist, a doctor in my area has now started me on a low dose of Estradiol. I still retain the benefits of castration such as reduced stress, impotence, and feeling calm. I felt a lot better after castration, and now I feel even better on estrogen.

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Harry: I am NOT transgendered. However, I am being bothered by hot flashes. My physician has brought up the subject of LOW levels of estrogen. I certainly do not want the changes from large doses of estrogen, as I am not transgendered. From your experience, how much of an effect would LOW levels have on "The Eunuch Calm"? Would there be changes in my attitudes and feelings towards feminine lines?

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Sherry: Since you are not transgendered, you might not like the effects of how estrogen makes you feel. I feel good on estrogen because my inner identity is feminine, but since your inner identity is that of a man, I don't know if low dose estrogen would affect your calm. Estrogen will make you feel much differently than testosterone did, but you might not like it. Males on

estrogen tend to feel less forceful and more sensitive and yielding, but many males would not like how this makes them feel. Estrogen would probably alter your attitudes and feelings to some extent, and you would cry and/or feel emotional more easily, but it will not make you transgendered, because your

gender identity is set for life.

One thing I should mention is that because you now have very little testosterone (only whatever your adrenal glands produce), even a little estrogen may have both physical and mental effects. I have been taking only 1mg Estradiol for two months, which is a low dose, yet I am already having early breast development which I first noticed in less than three weeks. My main mental effects so far have been thinking a little more clearly and more

prone to being emotional.

The good news is that estrogen effects are reversible for a time. If you take it for a long time (longer than six months), breast growth and some other effects may be permanent, but you could probably try a low dose for a few months to see if you feel OK with it. Any physical changes that occurred in the first few months should reverse if you decide you don't want to take estrogen and discontinue taking it.

Another thing is, I did have some hot flashes for the first three weeks I was on estrogen, but then they stopped. Hot flashes tend to occurr when the hormonal contents of your body

change, so if you take no HRT the hot flashes should eventually cease anyway, and starting estrogen may bring on a new round of hot flashes.

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Harry: By the way, I frequently post the URL for your "effects of castration" page in The Eunuch Archives, especially when someone new starts asking questions about it. Hope you don't mind, it is an excellent summery.

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Sherry: Actually I am happy when I see that someone has posted a link to my site. Yahoo lists the sites that others have linked from to get to mine, so I have visited the eunuch archive, and I am happy that you referred readers to my website.

Sherry Joanne Collins

Hey guys, here's some comments on my experience with estrogen.

I have been at the doctor's a lot lately, and when I was visiting my general practioner in December, she happened to have me wait in a room that was filled with information about menopause and guess what else? Boxes full of samples of different estrogen treatments! There were gels, and Premarin, and lots of generic conjugated estrogens.

I stole (heck they were samples weren't they), some of the generic cojugated estrogen. I chose that because it looked like it was least likely to be missed.

Anyway, I started taking it daily to see what would happen. I think it was a 2.5mg dose of estrogen per day.

Note I am a heterosexual guy who is hypogonadal (low testosterone).

Anyway, I definitely got hot flashes, and sweated from my back and places where I don't normally sweat. I was so warm one day when walking in the mall that I went outside during a snowstorm and took off my jacket to cool down.

The feeling was okay, and I think it generally made me feel good. However, my body composition started to change after the fifth day, and after my nipples began to get pointy I stopped and threw away the rest of the estrogen. My breasts are still feminized after two weeks of not taking the estrogen, and I have a lot more adominal fat than I had before. It was quite interesting to see such a change. Note that for one week I took a double dose (5mg/day).

However, it was an interesting experiment. I know you're thinking about lower doses than I took, but my recommendation is that a heterosexual guy will be dissatisfied with any feminization of the body -- I certainly am!

SplitDick (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2002 5:26 pm Hey guys, here's some comments on my experience with estrogen.

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SplitDick (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2002 5:26 pm However, it was an interesting experiment. I know you're thinking about lower doses than I took, but my recommendation is that a heterosexual guy will be dissatisfied with any feminization of the body -- I certainly am!

Thank you for your input. However, my main concern would not be physical feminization (I could live with that) but changes in my thoughts and feelings from the current "eunuch calm". Sigh...looks as if I'll have to just ride out the hot flashes.

Spector did me in August of 2000. I had severe hot flashes for months, but now they are mild and easy to tolerate. I think in the long run you will be happier if you stay away from the hormones and just wait it out.

I'm curious if there are any eunuchs out there who have completely stopped having hot flashes, or that they have become so mild as to be nearly unnoticable. How long did that take?

I know, YMMV, but I'm curious because it seems to be a nearly permanent part of eunuchism.

Thanks!!

frankie

Poor old Andrew. He probably knew that I would be responding to this thread.

I take rather high doses of estrogen, and have for a while pre-castration as well as now post-sexual reassignment surgery. I believe that I still have a "eunuch calm" and certainly don't have hot flashes. My feminization is quite advanced, though, but I like that. It is amazing how it can change the apperance of a "guy" to that of a gal

Besides, estrogen is the good stuff.

Do note that high doses of estrogen can affect your moods--I and many others like me can laugh or cry at the drop of a hat (especially if it is my hat and I drop it in the mud!)

Love,

Kelly

Kelly_2 (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 12, 2002 5:38 pm Poor old Andrew. He probably knew that I would be responding to this thread.

I take rather high doses of estrogen, and have for a while pre-castration as well as now post-sexual reassignment surgery. I believe that I still have a "eunuch calm" and certainly don't have hot flashes. My feminization is quite advanced, though, but I like that. It is amazing how it can change the apperance of a "guy" to that of a gal

Besides, estrogen is the good stuff.

Do note that high doses of estrogen can affect your moods--I and many others like me can laugh or cry at the drop of a hat (especially if it is my hat and I drop it in the mud!)

Love,

Kelly

Poor Andrew? Get real. I W A N T feedback from a variety of sources so as to make a decision. So, thank you for your feedback. But as SJC would ask, is your basic gender outlook male or female? My concerns are about the effects of estrogen on a non-trandgendered male, concerning the maintenance of The Eunich Calm and changes in feelings, attitude,and outlook.

In any case, I am not interested in high dosages and feminization, just low doses to mitigate the hot flashes. I look forward to input from others who havetried estrogen for one reason or another. Again, thank you for your feed back.

Andrew, after only several days of estrogen, I had a HUGE crying fit. It is significant because I have only cried about three times in my adult life.

I do believe that taking estrogen will make a person moody, and I don't believe that is the same as the eunuch calm. For a transgendered person, they might like those "female" feelings, but I don't think a non-transgendered male will like to cry at the drop of a hat.

SplitDick (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2002 5:26 pm Hey guys, here's some comments on my experience with estrogen.

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The feeling was okay, and I think it generally made me feel good. However, my body composition started to change after the fifth day, and after my nipples began to get pointy I stopped and threw away the rest of the estrogen. My breasts are still feminized after two weeks of not taking the estrogen, and I have a lot more adominal fat than I had before. It was quite interesting to see such a change. Note that for one week I took a double dose (5mg/day).

However, it was an interesting experiment. I know you're thinking about lower doses than I took, but my recommendation is that a heterosexual guy will be dissatisfied with any feminization of the body -- I certainly am!

Well I did take some estrogen, over 10 ago years and my breasts are still feminized from then, they never have gotten smaller. (they never got to A cup size) I'm hypogonadal now so if I take any estrogen the feminisation effects my be too much.

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Speaking bout oestrogens, does someone knows which ones are the best for that kind of changes and where to find them (on internet if possible)

thanks