Removing Body Parts - Risk Death...

[Robby (imported)]

Posted on Sat, Sep. 16, 2006

Removing ovaries raises death risk, study indicates (http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincitie ... 530938.htm)

(text provided in the event link no longer available)

Practice no longer common

BY DELTHIA RICKS

Newsday

Women younger than 45 who have their ovaries removed, usually as part of a hysterectomy for noncancerous reasons, run a higher risk of dying from other disorders, Mayo Clinic researchers report in the largest analysis of its type.

The investigation, to appear next month in the journal Lancet Oncology, is a large-scale look at what was accepted practice until recent years.

Researchers found that unless hormone therapy had been prescribed, the women's risk of death from all causes was 1.7 times higher than that for women whose ovaries were intact. The elevated death risk was mainly restricted to women who were not prescribed estrogen after the surgery until at least the age of 45 to offset the loss of natural estrogen produced by the ovaries.

Those who had their ovaries removed were more likely to die of breast cancer and cardiovascular disease. But researchers also found an increased risk of dementia and neurological disturbances.

"What came out in this study was something of a surprise, especially the findings on neurological problems," said Dr. Bobbie Gostout, a professor at the Mayo Clinic. She said the study, which involved more than 4,000 women in Olmsted County, Minn., will continue to analyze medical conditions linked to ovary removal.

The test group was women who had one or both ovaries removed between 1950 and 1987. The statistics, including cause of death, were compared to 2,000 women who had not had the surgery.

Gostout said women with disorders requiring removal of the ovaries should not hesitate to have surgery, especially if they carry one of two genes tied to breast cancer.

"This study doesn't surprise me at all," said Dr. Steven Goldstein, a professor of gynecology at NYU Medical Center. "It has been mainly an American phenomenon to routinely take out the ovaries with the thought of preventing ovarian cancer in healthy women. This study is telling us the good your ovaries do for you far outweighs any theoretical risk of ovarian cancer."



This is a good discussion point when it comes to removing male body parts. Any thoughts guys, gals, trannies and other folks?

[Mac (imported)]

Sounds like having ovaries is good for you. I have heard the opposite about testicles.

[bryan (imported)]

Robby,

Considering the sort of things we talk about at the Archive, your thread title seemed obvious, i.e., "You risk death when you remove body parts on your own." Duh! Really?

Finally venturing into the thread, I see the subject is not what I expected...

Terri

[Hash (imported)]

I have read that just giving women "estrogen" after their ovaries are removed is not as beneficial as giving them both "estrogen" and "testosterone." It seems that women need both. However, estrogen replacement also has risks.

Hysterectomy has the potential for generating serious consequences in terms of health, including two to seven times greater incidence and prevalence of cardiovascular disease, and quality of life, including loss of sexual libido and pleasure. More than a half-million American women undergo hysterectomy every year. Both in premenopausal women and in postmenopausal women, the ovaries are a critical source not only of estrogen but also of testosterone. Even in instances where ovaries have been spared on removal of the uterus, their function may be compromised. Today, women for whom estrogen replacement therapy is not contraindicated are routinely given supplemental estrogen following hysterectomy/oophorectomy. Many women develop and suffer symptoms of testosterone deficiency that go unrecognized and untreated. Testosterone supplemental therapy for women following hysterectomy not only can improve the quality of their lives in terms of sexual libido, sexual pleasure, and sense of well-being but also can--as does supplementary estrogen--contribute to the prevention of osteoporosis. Most importantly, an increasing body of evidence suggests that testosterone may be cardiovascular protective. As testosterone, the most potent anabolic steroid, has some anabolic effect on virtually every tissue in the body, it is likely that supplementing testosterone to physiological levels contributes to health maintenance in as yet undefined ways and that testosterone deficiency in women may be costing more in morbidity and mortality than we know at present.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Citation

Here is an addtional site: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10 ... 0750020955

[Eunuchist (imported)]

Posted on Sat, Sep. 16, 2006

Removing ovaries raises death risk, study indicates (http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincitie ... 530938.htm)

(text provided in the event link no longer available)

Practice no longer common

BY DELTHIA RICKS

Newsday

Women younger than 45 who have their ovaries removed, usually as part of a hysterectomy for noncancerous reasons, run a higher risk of dying from other disorders, Mayo Clinic researchers report in the largest analysis of its type.

It says nothing about the implications on lifespan. According to a similar, but a more sustained study, wich analyzed the longevity of 2000 ovariectomized women in Sweden, reported no difference in lifespan vs. the general female populations; there were no instances of breast cancer, but about half the women are reported to have died of coronary diseases (don't have the link at the moment but will post later today, it is buried somewhere in my browser bookmarks). However, based on definite animal studies, I am inclined to believe that ovariectomy, as orchiectomy, also tends to increase the lifespan in humans, even if some of the morbidity factors may be altered.

Researchers found that unless hormone therapy had been prescribed, the women's risk of death from all causes was 1.7 times higher than that for women whose ovaries were intact.

The article does not mention if any possible secondary factors were considered wich might have affected the morbidity outcome. For example, it's reasonable to assume that most, if not all, of the ovariectomies were due to an impeding disease and thereby elevated morbidity rather than choice (FtE volunteers??). Comparing such a group of women, wich all had elevated morbidity risks associated with their ovaries to healthy women, along with the emotional issues/burdens associated with medical emergencies (eating disorders, relationship crisis, low self esteem, etc.), in my opinion, is not representative.

The elevated death risk was mainly restricted to women who were not prescribed estrogen after the surgery until at least the age of 45 to offset the loss of natural estrogen produced by the ovaries.

This assertion has been overtly rejected by the recent and the largest trial on female HRT carried out by the Women's Health Initiative, involving 16,600 participants:

http://www.ynhh.org/healthlink/womens/womens_9_02.html

Supplementing estrogen apparently have no positive effect on lifespan and general morbidity, in fact, it appears to be detrimental.

Those who had their ovaries removed were more likely to die of breast cancer and cardiovascular disease. But researchers also found an increased risk of dementia and neurological disturbances.

I am amazed to learn that "

Those who had their ovaries removed were more likely to die of breast cancer

", while all the other studies I have read are in complete disagreement with the above statement, for inst.:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/breast-cancer/WO00095

[Eunuchist (imported)]

I have read that just giving women "estrogen" after their ovaries are removed is not as beneficial as giving them both "estrogen" and "testosterone." It seems that women need both. However, estrogen replacement also has risks.

Hysterectomy has the potential for generating serious consequences in terms of health, including two to seven times greater incidence and prevalence of cardiovascular disease, and quality of life, including loss of sexual libido and pleasure. More than a half-million American women undergo hysterectomy every year. Both in premenopausal women and in postmenopausal women, the ovaries are a critical source not only of estrogen but also of testosterone. Even in instances where ovaries have been spared on removal of the uterus, their function may be compromised. Today, women for whom estrogen replacement therapy is not contraindicated are routinely given supplemental estrogen following hysterectomy/oophorectomy. Many women develop and suffer symptoms of testosterone deficiency that go unrecognized and untreated. Testosterone supplemental therapy for women following hysterectomy not only can improve the quality of their lives in terms of sexual libido, sexual pleasure, and sense of well-being but also can--as does supplementary estrogen--contribute to the prevention of osteoporosis. Most importantly, an increasing body of evidence suggests that testosterone may be cardiovascular protective. As testosterone, the most potent anabolic steroid, has some anabolic effect on virtually every tissue in the body, it is likely that supplementing testosterone to physiological levels contributes to health maintenance in as yet undefined ways and that testosterone deficiency in women may be costing more in morbidity and mortality than we know at present.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Citation

Here is an addtional site: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10 ... 0750020955

Hm.. As expected, the author of the review, Susan Rako, is a HRT propagandist who profits from private "consultations" ($250.00 each) and book sales, with the sole aim of putting people on various forms of HRT.

http://www.susanrako.com/consult.htm