Hi I've been lurking here for a few years now but have finally decided to join. Lately I've been reading about the affects of soy on men. Apparently Soy contains isoflavours which are natural eostrogens. I understand that it has been used as a herbal alternative for men with prostate cancer. So I'm just wondering what people here think of using Soy for chemical castration?

I have also used the Herbs Black Ochosh, Vitex - Chastity Tree and Saw Palmeto on a daily basis and I "magine" that I have been "Castrated", but my friends at EA tells me no way.

I guess measuring the Testosteron is the only way to really know. I have read and noted that a lot of foods have female hormones and I guess the environment , water etc does little to keep us from "digesting" it.

Right now in Washington they are again talking about the Water and some fish that are both Male and Female with eggsm in the Potomac , but the argument about the chemicals we inhale or ingest goes on and on.

what LOW COST techniques there are to incure CASTRATION . ??? Johan N3RF

Properly, castration involves reducing testosterone. However, adding estrogen or estrogen-like substances does not necessarily achieve lowered testosterone -- to do that you need an anti-androgen.

Soy and other phyto-estrogens can cause estrogen responses in males, but that means breast development, water retention, and higher fat content, but does not mean real castration, because testosterone will still be produced and causing its typical effects as well.

The trick with hormones is that having having high levels of just one of testosterone or estrogen is normal, but it is also common to have low levels of both (such as pre-puberty or post-menopause, or eunuch) or even high levels of both (such as female body builders, or poorly combined transsexual hormone treatments).

A low-cost solution is Depo-Provera. I get it for $25 a shot, including shipping. Once established, this is only $25 a month ... pretty cheap. My tested T-levels are at castration levels.

Don

Vladimir (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:18 pm Hi I've been lurking here for a few years now but have finally decided to join. Lately I've been reading about the affects of soy on men. Apparently Soy contains isoflavours which are natural eostrogens. I understand that it has been used as a herbal alternative for men with prostate cancer. So I'm just wondering what people here think of using Soy for chemical castration?

Before I started on Depo-Provera I ate food with soy in it, consumed soy sauce, etc. and was still horny. If you are serious about castration take the shot!