It becomes apparent that most heterosexuals believe that homosexuality is like a light switch we turn on and off. They just don't understand the hurts. The wishes and dreams that we could change. Society is so against homosexuality. Some education is needed.

Homosexuality! Is it a switch that we can turn on or off? Or is our brain wired to make us homosexual? I hid from my sexuality for the first 50 years of my life. I just could not accept that I was gay and a christian. Both Living Hope Ministries and Exodus North America show testimonies on their websites of men that went to inpatient counseling daily in their program for a period of time unknown and found change. Began a relationship with a female, got married and had children. Yes, I do believe that our brain are wired for us to be homosexual and that can only be changed by a psychologist getting inside our brains and doing some reconstruction and rewiring. But I believe that can only be accomplished in an inpatient situation where you are counseled daily.

Every homosexual that I know personally wished that he could change. The world standards are so developed around heterosexuality and it being the only thing that is right. Yes, God did perform the first marriage in the Garden of Eden, that being between Adam and Eve. Thus setting the standard that marriage is intended to be between a man and a woman. None the less, the gay couple needs some amount of legal protection and therefore I endorse civil unions and domestic partnership as a means of doing this.

From the books that I have read, the ingredients for homosexuality are a manipulative, controlling, overbearing Mother and a weak Father figure. I can see that in my life.

I'm a strong believer that orientation is primarily deeply rooted, probably genetic, and not about "lifestyle choice". There is no real choice.

The good news is genetic science is starting to gather a fair bit of evidence to support that view. The bad news is that people will likely use genetic science to screen out homosexual children. (Then again people will probably use genetic science to screen out children with lots of attributes that are common today.)

Anyway, you're reading the wrong books if you think your overbearing mother made you homosexual. If you were wired to be heterosexual, an overbearing mother would probably just give you a kinky obsession with dominatrixes. Heterosexual men who truly grow up to seriously hate women will abuse women but won't seek love in the arms of a man. No amount of bad childhood situations or psychological issues could make a genetic male homosexual.

I chose to be a fag. My family tried to talk me out of it, but I stood my ground. Oh, I was lousey at bein' a fag at first. Like every newbie I made mistake after mistake. Talk about clumbsey!

But I wouldn't relent. I studied homo behavior in and out of the bedroom. I studied everything from lisps to limp wrists. And I studied Fashion! Boy did I study Fassssssshion!

I'm here to tell you that with hard work (no pun intended) and perseverence, you too can be a gay. I'm proud of my choice. I look good, I smell good, and I'm 'Sassy'!

Oh sure, I've got a lot to learn, and I still occassionally fumble the ball in the bedroom, but Gosh Darn it, I'm Special! And I like Me!

Much Love,

Gaylord Focker

Has anyone ever REALLY been changed from homosexual to heterosexual ? Or has he learned to behave heterosexually and perform adequately in bed with a woman ? I know a homosexual who has made a success of a marriage. He has 4 children of whom he is very fond and wouldn't have missed the experience of fatherhood for anything. HOWEVER, he is still orally passive with men. He is STILL HOMOSEXUAL. He enjoys performing fellatio as he did when a teenager, though he is a grandfather. He yielded to social pressure to take on a heterosexual life-style and made a success of it. He didn't need or make use of a psychologist or psychiatrist to meddle with his psychological wiring. I have known other married homosexuals who , having discharged their obligations to society and religion, have returned to the homosexual practises of their youth. These men never became heterosexual. They learned to live a lie and make the best of it. All of the married homosexuals I have known have had affairs with men from time to time during their married lives. One who is anally passive feels no guilt about his sexual activities with men because he does not believe that he is cheating on his wife. It is his position that he is not depriving his wife of anything which she is capable of doing. I seriously doubt, therefore, that the meddling of psychiatrists and psychologists has ever changed any man's fundamental sexual inclination.

Numnuts, I thought I said in another thread that you should insert a "smilie" when you are being sarcastic!

The true test of orientation is not sexual practices but where you seek your love. A porn star who has sex with women on film is not necessarily lesbian, a man who gets married and has kids is not necessarily hetero, and a guy who gets sucked off now and then is not necessarily gay. The key question is whose arms do you seek to be held in? Who do you want to grow old with? Who do you want to hold hands with? Sexual urges can be distorted or repressed, but love is a truer test.

Although I've heard people say that there are no bisexuals, just homosexuals pretending at times to be heterosexual, I believe some people are. There have been times I have been exclusively heterosexual, in actions as well as in thought, times I have been homosexual to the same extent, and times I've had heterosexual sex one day and homosexual sex the next, enjoying each equally. I said in another thread that my fantasies don't include women, and they don't, but I am not sexually active, so I don't know if it even matters what I label myself anymore. Someone told me once, you are what you fantasize about. There have been times I've fantasized exclusively about women, and times I've fantasized exclusively about men.

As far as parents being an influence on whether one is gay or straight. I think that's just one of many factors. I think some people are hardwired to be one way or the other in many cases. Possibly, others are more influenced by environment. In my case I had a dominant, but uncaring father, and a submissive, but loving mother. I really never had a loving male father figure. Possibly, that's what got me to where I'm at.

Actually, being bisexual, I think, was an advantage, not a disadvantage. I never had to exclude half the human race from being my sexual partners.

Don't forget about the pansexuals ... those who'll screw anything that moves too slowly. (I think that's the term.)

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:30 pm Numnuts, I thought I said in another thread that you should insert a "smilie" when you are being sarcastic!

But then everyone will skip to the end and ruin the surprise.

As for me: women, men, small furry creatures, the occasional inanimate object, it's all the same to me. To quote the famous band DR. HOOK : "Sometimes I dream of girls to bring me everlasting joy, sometimes I dream of animals, sometimes I dream of boys!" Does that qualify as pan sexual? More truthfully; I've never differentiated, except situationally, between males or females as potential sex partners. (let the flaming begin!) --FLO--

I don't go for labels. Unless you're having sex to procreate, which is essentially a contractual obligation between married people, sex is entertainment. And as we all know everyone has different thoughts on what entertains them. So what's the right way to stimulate the sex organs for entertainment purposes?

Is it okay for an American to eat Chinese food? Will I become Italian if I eat lasagna? Am I a mathematician when I balance my checkbook?

Sure, the brain is the largest sex organ. But no one thinks their way to an orgasm, they always involve the genitalia. So I ask, what's the right way to stimulate the genitalia for entertainment purposes?

And btw, do Catholic people have sex for entertainment purposes? (I mean, besides Catholic Priests. They're obviously not trying to procreate) And if they do, is it a sin? Is it a sin for two people to make each other feel good? Or do Catholics only have sex to procreate. I ask because I know Catholics that only have one or two children. And I wonder if they've only had sex twice. Or did they quit having sex after their second child. That's a long life ahead of them to not have sex anymore.