How to start the discussion with your Dr.

[inksteelmods (imported)]

I've made an appointment with my urologist for next week. I'm going to discuss orchiectomy with him. I have some ideas of how to bring the subject up but would welcome suggestions from others who've already gone this route. I want to be able to either rule in or rule out his support in getting this done. Pro and con comments are welcome.

[thefraj (imported)]

Inksteelmods, this maybe my own unique experience talking here (sorry if this is not what you want to hear!)...while it maybe useful to raise awareness amongst doctors that the community exists, I can absolutely guarantee it will not benefit you on a personal level. The doctor will not say "sure, how about Thursday?". The realistic reaction is more likely to be one of horror, disgust and - in my case - referred me for psychiatric evaluation. I've heard that age, marital status and having already had children may help influence the view.

But - unless you have some sort of pre-existing medical condition which may benefit from castration - the general rule is that they will percieve you as a crazy lunatic out to do self harm for no apparent reason.

You know this is not the case, I know this is not the case. But this is the state of affairs.

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From my own experience - I told the doctor that if I didn't get any kind of help then I would likely end up trying to do it myself, or finding a doctor overseas to do it for me. He stated that he "didn't appreciate being threatened or blackmailed". I told him this was not a threat, and that I was really desperate for some help that way. "This is an issue for a psychotherapist not a surgeon" was the response I got. This is when talk of psychiatric evalutation began.

"Do you hear voices?" was of course the first demeaning question. I hate GPs. The vast majority are the fithiest scum of humanity. Their self-assured, bloated hypocracy spewing forth from every pore. They don't care. So long as they get their money. They make me sick to my stomach.

Sometimes metaphorically, sometimes literally.

[inksteelmods (imported)]

Thanks for your thoughtful comments, thefraj. Others have voiced the same concerns to me in person. It may well be that I ultimately seek out a more open-minded resource, but I strongly feel I have to give this a try in order to be able to say after that I tried conventional means.

[Hairless (imported)]

I've made an appointment with my urologist for next week. I'm going to discuss orchiectomy with him. I have some ideas of how to bring the subject up but would welcome suggestions from others who've already gone this route. I want to be able to either rule in or rule out his support in getting this done. Pro and con comments are welcome.

This question would be easier to answer if you would give us a little more information about yourself. Why do you want to be castrated? Have you read all you could to find out if thid is right for you? Have you tried chemical castration first? Do you want to be a Eunuch without HRT, a balless man with HRT like me, or are you starting the transition process to become female. You have to have some reason to back up your decision. I just broke the ice with my GP by saying ," I want to be castrated and I want to know if you would still consent to be my doctor if I was"? If you want to read the process I want through, read the first part of my thread, Is Kimmel the right way to go, or read the start of anyones thread who has done this. Most of them are in the Surgical Castration section.

I see The Frag beat me to the punch here and most of what he says is true. It also matters what country you live in. He's in England. When I told my GP, I thought he would freak, but he didn't. He is still my doctor and has been very helpful. You will find it isn't easy to find a doctor that will castrate you, but they are out there. Steve

[SplitDik (imported)]

Your best bet is to see a psychiatrist first. If you find a sympathetic one, then he/she, after a lot of consultation, might refer you to a urologist to get your desire.

My psychiatrist always asks if I want to start chemical castration regimen. However, my SSRI anti-depressants have helped me manage my libido to the point where I am not in a hurry to go the rest of the way.

I went to my psychiatrist to discuss my sexual addiction and my sexual masochism. Those are both clinically defined conditions, so your psychiatrist will NOT react negatively. They will if you just walk in and say "I want a referral to be castrated."

[Hash (imported)]

Have to agree with everyone else. You have been given great advice. I would personally seek a female shrink. Women are way more understanding and sympathetic. All the female doctors and nurses that I've ever shared with were caring and took a great interest in me personally. Male doctors are just not going to listen and they'll try to have you committed. Trust me/us. If you're going to do this, what are you going to use as your reasons for getting castrated? Oversexed, disgusted with your genitals, or a desire to be free your testicles? If you tell the doctor/shrink that your oversexed, they might just put you on Depo or some anti-androgen. I'm not sure what the best statement is to proceed with this, Hairless might have a better plan. Hash

[inksteelmods (imported)]

I am a partnered gay male. I enjoy the full support of my partner in this. My reasons are to take control of my libido (yes, I wish to go on HRT in order to maintain muscle mass and masculine characterisitics) and to have a more streamlined look. I've suffered from some testicular pain over the years most likely due to excessive cycling and some extreme S&M play. I've never cared for the look or feel of my testicles.

I've done all my research and have consulted with several eunuch friends that I have met personally and here online. I am confident this is the right thing to do.

While I believe that psychiatric care has merits in some cases, I do not believe it is the case here. In my opinon, the only purpose of psychiatric involvement in these cases is to protect the surgeon from litigation in the event the client changes his/her mind.

I respect the opinions you all have offered. This is exactly the kind of discourse I want to hear as I go through this process.

Cheers

[numnuts (imported)]

Apparently 10 out of 10 male doctors want their male patients to have testicles.

I guess having testicles is the key to a happy life? As long as a guy has his nut sac, it's all good, huh?

So what's to complain about besides violent crime, rape, and unwanted pregnancies?

I wonder how many prisons would have been empty, how many women and children would have never been assaulted, and how many unwanted children would have never been born had the guys responsible not had testicles?

And that's just asking about the guys who never even considered castration.

[Hash (imported)]

Ink,

No one is saying that it isn't the right thing for you to do. We're saying that from our experience we know the system and how things work. You cannot go to a urologist and simply ask to be castrated, they will think your crazy and have you committed. The purpose of going to a shrink is to get them to talk to the urologist for you. If you can convince the shrink that this is what you want and really need, she'll/he'll contact a urologist for you and set things up. That's the purpose of seeing a shrink. Unless you go to Dr. Kimmel, he's the only one I know of in the states who will castrate you simply on demand, otherwise you'll have to go through a lot more steps. Don't try the burdizzo or elastrator, you'll regret it. Hash

[numnuts (imported)]

Maybe the system needs to acknowledge the idea more often? And that will only happen with numbers.

No one cared about cancer until they understood it, until the numbers of people suffering from it made theirselves known.

Smoking was an 'IN' thing for decades. Now it's a pariah.

Psychology teaches us that 'normal' is defined simply by numbers. If 8 out of 10 monkeys eat their dung, then eatting dung is normal monkey behavior.

Maybe more guys actually need to speak up?

Given the numbers on this board, I'm guessing the vast percentage of guys with this need/desire are not being counted.

Kinda like in the 50's when they actually took 'Polls' on how many Gay people there were in given communities. LoL. They practically got a nill percentage. LoL.

I guess Gay people just recently arrived on earth beginning n the late 70's? LoL. That's so funny!